California vs. Florida: The surprising answer to which state handled COVID better

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You may not like to hear this but I suspect that the percentage of African Americans in these states may be one of the big factors (though not the main part of the reason).

    There was some evidence that the coronavirus spread among African American populations more, and that African Americans were more vulnerable.

    here's a related thread on that: More than 80% of coronavirus patients in Georgia are African American
     
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    We also had the worst information at the very start, plus the science and medical community let us down...

    Does bats and wet market and NO HUMAN TO HUMAN TRANSMISSION, bring back memories?
     
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    We already knew that the elderly and sick had the highest risk. Using death and suffering to make a political point is especially low.
     
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    I am sure it is.
    As according to you, you claim California is the deadliest state for Covid since they have the highest Covid deaths.
     
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  5. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    You just affirmed the OP.

    Your last sentence doesn't jive with your post.
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    Biden has done plenty of good. My BING AI annotated search results:

    1. Economy and Employment: The economy added 13.9 million jobs, surpassing pre-pandemic levels by more than 4.5 million1. The unemployment rate dropped for a time to the lowest in nearly 54 years1.
    2. Inflation: Inflation is down 5.5 percentage points since it's peak. Note: inflation was world wide due to the pandemic.
    3. Murder Rate: The U.S. murder rate declined by one-half of a point1.
    4. Economic Growth: The economy expanded at an annual rate of 2.2% in the first quarter and 2.1% in the second quarter1.
    5. Corporate Profits: After-tax corporate profits increased in the second quarter of this year1.
    6. Health Insurance: Those lacking health insurance went down — by 0.7 percentage points by one measure and 1.3 points by another1.
    7. Oil Production: U.S. crude oil production is up 10.7%; imports are up 7.4%1.
    8. Refugees: The U.S. accepted 60,014 refugees in fiscal year 20231. We need more, there is a labor shortage.
    9. Illegal Immigration: The number of apprehensions of those trying to cross the southern border illegally is up 300% overall1.
    10. Public Debt: Debt held by the public has increased by 22.5%1. Trump's debt increased by 40.43%
    11. Trade Deficit: The trade deficit for goods and services has gone up by 24.6%1. Trump's TD went up 40.5%

    Yes, there were some stats I didn't like, but I'm focusing on the positive achievements, not to mention

    1. Inflation Reduction Act: Lowered costs for families, combatted the climate crisis, reduced the deficit, and made large corporations pay a fair share. Medicare can negotiate drug prices, with a cap on insulin costs for seniors and out-of-pocket expenses for vaccines.

    2. Job Growth: Two strongest years of job growth in history, with nearly 11 million jobs created including 750,000 manufacturing jobs, leading to a 50-year low unemployment rate.

    3. Manufacturing Investments: Nearly $300 billion in manufacturing investments in the U.S., bringing back supply chains and creating jobs.

    4. American Rescue Plan: Addressed the pandemic and economic recovery, funded vaccination campaigns, reopened schools, and supported child care providers.

    5. Bipartisan Infrastructure Law: Invested in roads, bridges, ports, airports, public transit, clean water, affordable high-speed internet, and clean energy, creating jobs.

    6. PACT Act: Expanded benefits and services for toxic-exposed veterans, enabling quicker determination of service-related illnesses.

    7. Bipartisan Safer Communities Act: First major gun safety legislation in three decades, addressing background checks, mental health, and gun trafficking.

    8. Protection of Marriage for LGBTQI+ and Interracial Couples: Signed bipartisan legislation and took steps for equality, including reversing the ban on transgender military servicemembers.

    9. Supreme Court and Judicial Appointments: Confirmed Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson and diverse federal judges.

    10. Support for Ukraine: Rallied global support against Russia's invasion of Ukraine, coordinating economic and military assistance.

    11. Strengthened Global Alliances: Strengthened NATO and international partnerships, particularly in response to Russia's actions in Ukraine.

    12. Counterterrorism: Directed successful missions against key leaders of ISIS and Al Qaeda.

    13. Executive Orders on Reproductive Rights: In response to the Supreme Court's decisions, signed orders to protect reproductive health care access.

    14. Student Debt Relief: Announced debt relief for middle- and working-class families and changes to repayment plans.

    15. Marijuana Policy Reform: Pardoned federal offenses of simple marijuana possession and initiated a review of its federal scheduling.

    16. Equity and Racial Justice: Signed an executive order on his first day to advance equity and racial justice, and delivered criminal justice reforms.

    17. Climate and Environmental Justice Agenda: Set ambitious goals for emissions reduction and took actions for clean energy development and pollution reduction.

    18. Expanded Health Insurance Coverage: Lowered healthcare costs, leading to a record number of Americans with health insurance.
    Other notable achievements include advancing cancer research, increasing police presence and community policing, signing the Electoral Count Act, lowering the cost of hearing aids, creating manufacturing jobs, encouraging industry competition, lowering energy costs, rejoining the Paris Agreement, initiating offshore wind partnerships, reducing super pollutants, lowering the deficit, reauthorizing the Violence Against Women Act, addressing hunger and nutrition, and distributing free COVID-19 tests
     
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    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    In California, Black or African American individuals accounted for 5.5% of all COVID-19 cases and 7.1% of COVID-19 related deaths., so CA kicks GA's butt on that score.

    https://www.cdph.ca.gov/Programs/CID/DCDC/Pages/COVID-19/Age-Race-Ethnicity.aspx

    Given this fact, given the fact that CA has far more crowded housing in urban areas than FLA, I don't see the older population nor your black stats in FLA as a significant factor offsetting the premise in the OP.
     
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    An early clue for anyone paying attention:

    PROPUBLICA, SERIES: CORONAVIRUS, Doctors Are Hoarding Unproven Coronavirus Medicine by Writing Prescriptions for Themselves and Their Families, By Topher Sanders, David Armstrong and Ava Kofman, 3/24/20.
    https://www.propublica.org/article/...escriptions-for-themselves-and-their-families
     
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    Fake Science: Good enough for the masses -- and Big Pharma ;-)

    “Researchers have discovered, over and over, that lots of findings in fields like psychology, sociology, medicine, and economics don’t hold up when other researchers try to replicate them.

    This conversation was fueled in part by John Ioannidis’s 2005 article “Why Most Published Research Findings Are False” and by the controversy around a 2011 paper that used then-standard statistical methods to find that people have precognition.”

    “After tons of resources spent demonstrating the scope of the problem, fighting for more retractions, teaching better statistical methods, and trying to drag fraud into the open, papers still don’t replicate as much as researchers would hope, and bad papers are still widely cited — suggesting a big part of the problem still hasn’t been touched.

    We need a more sophisticated understanding of the replication crisis, not as a moment of realization after which we were able to move forward with higher standards, but as an ***ongoing rot*** in the scientific process that a decade of work hasn’t quite fixed.”
    VOX, SCIENCE, Science has been in a “replication crisis” for a decade. Have we learned anything? Bad papers are still published. But some other things might be getting better., By Kelsey Piper Oct 14, 2020, 12:20pm EDT. (Emphasis mine)
    https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/21504366/science-replication-crisis-peer-review-statistics
     
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    I took stroll down PF memory covid thread lane. It's pretty revealing, could just be me, but it seems alot of what is commons facts today and mentioned there have evaporated in to internet netherworld. Again could just be my imagination too..
     
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    Too much nonsense to respond to given size limitations. Laughable spins, distortions, and "accomplishments that raise a huge "so what?" from the general public given his over popularity numbers far below 50% with some before 40% or less.
    Sounds like you copied directly from a Biden press release
    How many of those jobs were due to the momentum pumped back into the economy? He added 12 million in nine months handed Biden an economy gaining momentum and it took a while for Biden to FUBAR it.
     
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    Shhh!

    Fake Science + Fake New + Politics = Denial of Care = Mass Slaughter

    "The Lancet paper that halted global trials of hydroxychloroquine for Covid-19 because of fears of increased deaths has been retracted after a Guardian investigation found inconsistencies in the data.
    The lead author, Prof Mandeep Mehra, from the Brigham and Women’s hospital in Boston, decided to ask the Lancet for the retraction because he could no longer vouch for the data’s accuracy.
    Related: How were medical journals and WHO caught out over hydroxychloroquine?
    The journal’s editor, Richard Horton, said he was appalled by developments. “This is a shocking example of research misconduct in the middle of a global health emergency,” he told the Guardian."
    THE GUARDIAN, Covid-19: Lancet retracts paper that halted hydroxychloroquine trials, By Sarah Boseley Health editor, June 5, 2020.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...s-paper-that-halted-hydroxychloroquine-trials
     
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    The great experiment, governments ultimate social test, total control by fear mongering.

    Success!

    Now it's invasion, environmental collapse, faith, variants, guns, political others. Hell just about anything works today with right music
     
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    what are the total number of deaths from covid in CA and TX
     
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    Sweden issued recommendations and the population began following them voluntarily (probably not as many MAGAs). After January 2020, they experienced more excess deaths than most other Nordic countries.
     
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    Yep! They didn't stand up to Trump disinformation forcefully enough!
     
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    Have you already forgotten the suppressed Taiwan email warning.

     
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    Yes that’s part of the reason.
     
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    Total deaths California 105,905
    Texas 95376
     
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    pretty close
     
  22. Patricio Da Silva

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    There is absolutely nothing inaccurate in the post.

    Yours, however, does exude the quality of right wing spin.
     
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    Yes, and CA has 26.29% more population than Texas.

    So, per capita, CA is better.
     
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    . What you mean is you WANT nothing to be wrong in the post. Reality vs wishes.
    . Nope. My post contains SSA FACTS and actual data. Denial of reality exudes the quality of left wing span. You always have to drag in the ideological bullshit don't you? I gave you the actual SSA Report. How is that right wing spin?
    You could go back several years of SSA reports and the facts will be the same except for the target year which gets reduced every year.
     
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    Texas has 3 times more retirees per capita than California
    Sorry
     
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