Cameras are getting police officers charged for crimes

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    First I want to say that in the vast majority of these type of violent incidents, the police are in the right. But there are a few cases where police officers behave in despicable ways. The below videos show those incidents. Prepare yourselves.

    Here is a video where the chief was just making excuses, and uses the word "conscience" instead of the appropriate word "confidence". Training and politics won’t let her admit that truth. A severe pistol whipping will terminate this officer's career.


    Aurora PD chief says arrest bodycam video will 'shock your conscience' - YouTube

    Here 5 officers get manslaughter charges for shooting a disarmed crook. Maybe a bit excessive. They also have to live with being killers now. Maybe that’s why they became cops though, to shoot people and get away with it.


    5 OKC police officers charged with manslaughter in connection with Stavian Rodriguez shooting - YouTube
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    exactly, cop cams not only protect the cops, but also the people

    I 100% support all cops being required to wear cop cams

    I do think all recording should be sent to a 3rd party for review though
     
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  3. Mircea

    Mircea Well-Known Member

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    Police receive training ordinary people do not, but in the end, police are just ordinary people and will respond as some people often do.

    You have a choice to make:

    1) I believe police should be under civilian control through my locally elected government officials; or

    2) I believe police should be under union control through union officials who are not beholden to me or required to answer to me and I have no control over them.

    If you accept premise #2, then you need not do anything, except keep your mouth shut with their is police violence, lest you reveal yourself as a total hypocrite.

    If you accept premise #1, then your duty as a citizen and human being are clear: You must vote only for those candidates for office who will destroy the police unions, even if you don't like their political party.

    I get some people are in love with unions, but at the very least, you need to limit police union power to negotiating wages and benefits, and nothing more.

    That means no union lawyers, no interfering in the disciplinary process, no interfering in hiring and promotions and a whole lot more.

    It's ironic that unions Liberals love are the cause of all the violence and corruption among police.

    If there's any systemic or institutional racism, it ironically comes from police unions and not your city council or county commissioners or State legislature or the federal government.

    Unions protect the worst police, the most incompetent police, the most aggressive police, the most violent police, the most corrupt police, and even worse, what we used to call "badge wearers." Those are wannabe cops that put on a badge, drive around for 8 hours without doing anything and go home (and a whole bunch of crime happened in their patrol area because all they do is drive around.)

    Unions aren't necessary. There's something that's been around for more than 7,000 years. It's called a "contract."

    The contract spells out the officer's wages and benefits, the officer's responsibilities, the city's responsibilities, and the penalties if either party breaches the contract.

    What is so damn hard about that?

    After a year, the city either refuses to renew the contract, so the officer is effectively terminated, or they like what the officer is doing and offer a new contract.

    Maybe after 3-4 years, the city says, hey, we like what you're doing, here's a 3-year contract with 4 years of options to renew.

    If the cop violates the terms of the contact, that's it. No army of union lawyers and officials descends to save their job and put them back on the street.

    B-b-b-b-b-b-b-but they can't negotiate their wages and benefits!

    Wrong answer. Police are trained in inter-personal communications. That's what policing is: inter-personal communications.

    What do you think police do all day? Negotiate and resolve disputes.

    She hung her laundry out the windows. His dog's barking. Their music is too loud. She let a shopping cart ding my car. He hit my car. There's a strange man on the street corner. She threw a lamp at me. He hit me. Blah, blah, blah. Other than enforcing traffic laws, that's all police do.

    Policing is a skill-set that is separate, apart, differentiated and totally unrelated to the investigating skill-set.

    The fact that one has the policing skill-set, it does not logically follow that one also possesses the investigative skill-set.

    Likewise, one can have the investigative skill-set without having the police skill-set.

    If you don't have the policing or the investigative skill-set, there is nothing on Earth that will allow you to have it, because you're either born with it or you are not.

    It's like being a doctor. You're either born that way or not, and if not, there is no amount of college semester hours, or courses, or self-help books, or seminars or webinars or retreats, or hypnosis or anything else that will ever give you the doctor skill-set. And note, all surgeons are doctors, but not all doctors are surgeons, nor could they ever be, because they don't have the surgery skill-set, which is separate and apart from the doctor skill-set.

    You wanna know why crimes go unsolved, or the wrong person is imprisoned or arrested or harassed by cops?

    You ain't seen the cop shows or NBC's Dateline or ABC's 48 hours with the doofus cops that botched an investigation?

    Now you know why.

    There is no law that says a police department cannot hire investigators off the streets.

    That's a union rule, that investigators can only be hired from within the police department.

    So, you're killed or injured or someone you love is killed or injured and the crime goes unsolved or they got the wrong person, or you or someone you love is accused, or harassed, or arrested or wrongfully imprisoned for a crime they didn't commit.

    Police unions function as a monopoly and strict the pool of legitimate, qualified competent investigators to just those who also possess the police skill-set.

    B-b-b-b-b-b-b-but they wear a badge! Just because the union waved a magic wand and said they're investigators doesn't magically make them investigators.

    Whose fault is that?

    Yours. You are 100% solely at fault and to blame because you ain't got the guts to do what needs to be done. So stop whining already.

    If you're not liking what you see on police body-cams, then get rid of the unions.
     
  4. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Many Democrats believe the police should be under the control of some central federal government agency.


    (This is something many Democrats responding to this thread will probably deny, but like usual they're too ignorant to believe the other half of them would support it.)

    They'd probably just rename this new law enforcement agency something else that doesn't have the word "police" in it, to make it sound better.
     
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  5. Mircea

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    The Committee for Public Safety.
     
  6. Chrizton

    Chrizton Well-Known Member

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    Good. That serves the purpose of having the cameras---so third parties can see what really went down without having to sort through the he said she saids.
     

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