Can a political outsider save the G. O. P. from itself?

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Films like "An Inconvenient Truth,"
    The World According to Monsanto,
    The Future of Food.
    Food Inc,
    The Corporation.
    and all of the Michael Moore films..... have left Americans ..... (as well as Canadians like myself)....... with the impression that the "Conservative" movement is so far mixed in with Big Business than only some sort of political outsider has any hope of talking some sense into the political right.
     
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    Because it's the GOP about to get its ASS handed to it in November, right?
     
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    Not THIS November.....but the next one in 2016...and beyond, if it keeps going the way it is.
     
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    No because Barack Obama was touted as a virginal political outsider by the Left and now he's so deep in the pocket of big business that it has made a laughing stock of the campaign phrase "Hope and Change!" So rather than an outsider one needs instead a deeply versed insider who understands that if he or she also plays corrupt footsies with the bad aspects of big business then it's going to be a one term only presidency . . . something that an organization such as -- say -- the Tea Party could conceivably pull off. Of course in reality Big Business interests are so intimately entwined with national level politics on both the Left and the Right (though the Left pretends that it doesn't apply to them) that probably they cannot be separated without destroying this nation's economy.
     
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    Then you arent paying attention, or only paying attention to what Gore and Moore allege... not do. The food dociumentaries show a revolving door policy between monsanto and the us govt across ALL administrations and legislation bought and paid for across ALL administrations.

    It is a systemic disease within our two party system that provides the illusion of choice. You are just part of the problem, in one camp... believing there is another.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Actually......… although I am Canadian I follow American elections better than our own........... I am 90% certain that I would have voted for McCain in 2008 and for Mitt in 2012..... but........... I am seriously into metaphysics and I feel that in a way God and/or aliens and/or angels...… or ghosts ..... or some higher power handed the 2012 election to President Obama back in 2012 partly through Hurricane Sandy.

    President Obama did do a competent job of handling that crisis..... and........ it made all of us look at the film "An Inconvenient Truth" a little more seriously???!

    Personally.... I think that Democrats are in serious trouble this time around. They are viewed as too naive!
     
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    Perhaps the Obama Presidency has actually accomplished more than 99% of us are aware of due to our relatively low security clearance level???!

    I personally am hopeful that a certain Mormon might just have a sufficient level of courage plus integrity to convince the G. O. P. to make at least a few of the major changes that they need to make.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/lates...-idea-gaining-steam-among-his-supporters.html

    Romney 2016 idea gaining steam among his supporters



    I agree with the idea that Mitt could announce his plans to run around Labor Day 2015 and immediately have the lead in the G.O.P. race.
     
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    No "Outsider" will be allowed to even get on the porch....let alone open the door.
     
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    democrats may lose the senate this year, but so what? they won't lose so many seats that they'll have less than 40. Heck... they may even lose the white house in 2016, but there isn't a republican out there that would roll back all of the achievements of the liberal progressives in America. Those victories will stand, and then, some day... maybe 2016, maybe 2020... who knows, but some day... we'll elect another democrat and have a democratic congress and liberal progressives will make more progress that will, itself, be immune from retraction. Women's suffrage. Minimum wage. Labor's right to organize. Social Security. Medicare. Medicaid. ADA. EPA. Gay rights. Liberalized marijuana laws. Civil Rights.... the list goes on and on and on and on. Victories for liberal progressives and defeats for conservatives. We measure our success in decades and centuries, not election cycles. In the end, we'll always win, and the best the other side can do is slow us or even stop us for short periods of time... they can NEVER turn us backwards. In the end, we'll prevail. I can imagine how disheartened that makes conservatives. Sorry.
     
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    Would not a Mormon by definition automatically be a "political outsider?"
     
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    Oh of a certainty all presidents actually accomplish more than is reported at the time, and usually because they are in delicate negotiations at the time or because after the fact the people they reached an agreement with REALLY don't want the facts to surface for quite a while afterwards. But then again good-hearted Jimmy Carter is still considered to have been a bad president by the majority of citizens to this day, G.W. Bush's image rehabilitation process can only ever go just so far, and at this point in time Barack Obama would essentially have to cease being Barack Obama in order for his countless failures and utter screw-ups to be compensated for by a series of last minute -- so to speak -- victories of even staggering natures.

    On the whole the notion of going for a totally inexperienced, clueless person, imbued with radicalism (Left or Right) by a series of themselves clueless academician types . . . has turned out to have been such a bad idea in the form of Barack Obama that I sincerely hope that it's not tried again during what's left of my lifetime. It's always better -- even if he or she is total scum -- for a politician to actually know what he is doing (on the whole anyway) upon taking the oath of office for the presidency.
     
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    Suffrage
    The key vote came on June 4, 1920, when the Senate approved the amendment by 56 to 25 after four hours of debate, during which Democratic Senators opposed to the amendment filibustered to prevent a roll call until their absent Senators could be protected by pairs. The Ayes included 36 (82%) Republicans and 20 (54%) Democrats. The Nays comprised 8 (18%) Republicans and 17 (46%) Democrats. The Nineteenth Amendment, which prohibited state or federal sex-based restrictions on voting, was ratified by sufficient states in 1920. [108]


    Just so as you are aware.
     
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    Obviously not.
     
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    The big Koch propaganda machine and their money is what buys these elections. And one day, people are finally going to have enough of it.
     
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    Taxcutter says:
    And you'd have us believe the Soros, Buffett, Steyer machine doesn't buy elections. Uh-huh. Right. <sarcasm off>

    We've certainly had enough of Soros, Buffett, Steyer and Goldman Sachs.

    - - - Updated - - -


    Taxcutter says:
    Enlighten the masses. Just who might this magical outsider be?
     
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    I'd like to see a Koch vs. Steyer political funding contest to see which goes broke first. Romney would be laughing all the way to his private island accountant.
     
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    Given momentum and another two years of uninterrupted tee times I can see a 2016 over the top wave of conservative/libertarian numbers. With super majorities in both houses and enough states, a couple of amendments to steer cultural practices to personal responsibility and a free market trend, progressivism will be relegated to an educational process... 'The more you progress the further you go.'

    YMMV


    Or, to paraphrase an old Texas oil field admonition, If you haven't got a job, get one.
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    Willys… I couldn't help but notice your "Texas Independence Now" sign by your name.

    Off hand what do you think of the idea of a "Texas Dollar?"

    http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...-could-utah-state-dollar-save-usa-dollar.html
    Could a Utah State Dollar save the USA Dollar?
    Have you seen any of the following films:

    1. The Future of Food
    2. Food Inc
    3. The World According to Monsanto.

    If so..... then you know that the USA dollar to some degree is linked to and backed up by a plan to control the world's production of food in such a way that could eventually produce global famine.


    "George Soros says that America must give up the dollar and accept world currency."
    http://www.examiner.com/article/geo...aggregation&fb_aggregation_id=288381481237582

    Back in 1994 I found out that President Lincoln had saved American taxpayers four billion dollars in interest payments and since that time I have been wondering what alternative was available to improve monetary policy that would not scare the investors on Wall Street.

    A Utah State Dollar could perhaps be the answer!????!!!
    ……...

    (To give you the exact quotation regarding President Lincoln saving American taxpayers such a large sum of money back in the 1860's to 1880's or so…….

    http://www.michaeljournal.org/lincolnkennedy.htm
    "In 1972, the United States Treasury Department was asked to compute the amount of interest that would have been paid if that 400 million dollars would have been borrowed at interest instead of being issued by Abraham Lincoln. They did some computations, and a few weeks later, the United States Treasury Department said the United States Government saved 4 billion dollars in interest because Lincoln had created his own money. So you can about imagine how much the Government has paid and how much we owe solely on the basis of interest." (Melvin Sickler)
     
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    I personally was hoping that Mitt might just be able to do it&#8230;&#8230;. with some help that is&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..

    http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...s-p-m-brokering-jordan-israel-peace-deal.html
    Please pray or meditate on Canada's P. M. brokering Jordan - Israel peace deal?
    I know that many of you pray or meditate so please

    pray that P. M. Stephen Harper initiate a peace deal between Jordan and Israel?

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    I am a member of a different Canadian political party but&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; I have to admit that P. M. Stephen Harper is for good reason regarded as a rather "Davidic" figure by a high percentage of Israelis.

    What he did for Israel back in 2011 at the G-8 was one of the most courageous and wise acts by a political leader that I have seen since I began to watch world events back in the '70's!
     
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    Are you sure?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Mormonism
     
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    Canadian P. M. Stephen Harper faces another federal election in 2015 so cooperation with him on a major peace deal between the nations of Jordan and Israel and Canada and the USA that set in motion the financing for the turning green of much of the deserts of Jordan would be pretty big.


    http://www.politicalforum.com/curre...saving-new-orleans-florida-rising-oceans.html
    The Sahara Forest Project...and saving New Orleans and Florida from rising oceans!

    &#8230;..(Scroll down to post #6 in this thread if you are somebody who thinks that Israel has a right to stop Hamas from shooting rockets at them)!
     
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    George Soros will be out of ethylene glycol and heating up his hot box six feet under before the US goes off the dollar.

    I would imagine that for a while Utah and/or Texas would continue trading and living with the U.S. buck as a medium of exchange. As for food shortage, I get by on eggs, peanut butter, steak, potatoes and a few other basic veggies. As long as the Brazos has got water, I've got a life.

    And yeah, it's Romney
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am not talking about either state abandoning the dollar……….. Just about everybody in the city of Calgary, Alberta, Canada does 90 - 99% of their business in Canadian dollars….but……. a lot of people walking down the street in that city may have hundreds of Calgary Dollars in their wallets that they really love to spend first because they can earn them by offering whatever service they perform through the website.


    www.CalgaryDollars.ca/

    The same is true in Ithaca New York with the Ithaca, Hour.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ithaca_Hours
    Here in Canada you pay exactly the same level of taxation when you earn one thousand Calgary Dollars as you do when you earn one thousand Canadian dollars.

    Local currencies are exceptionally good for certain types of businesses. I am certain that a State government could do a much better job of organizing the whole thing than was done by the twenty or thirty people in Calgary and Ithaca, New York who volunteer their time to keep these local currencies going.

    A Utah or Texas State Dollar and/or Hour could to some degree insure the value of the USA Dollar just in case what Pastor Shane Warren was shown in a dream or vision does actually come to pass?

    This man was shown a hurricane of money that he understood to mean a period of devaluation of the dollar. It is worthwhile to discuss how best to prop up the dollar just in case China and several Islamic nations were to join in with the Russians in their abandonment of the dollar.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjmZj4ItvJk
    Sid Roth with guest Shane Warren - America's Future
     

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