Can I convince PF's resident 'Truthers' that AA77 hit the Pentagon? - Take Two

Why would you see smoke from a missile? A Tomahawk cruise missile...after launch, a solid propellant burns for 12 seconds clearing the launch area. The missile then deploys fins and small wings and engages a small turbofan engine takes over for the cruise portion of flight.

soooooooooooooooooooo......why would white smoke be indicative of a missile?

 

soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo you simply assume a missile would have been launvhed from china huh

and that all misslies are the same huh?

More leaps to crazy conclusions.


The only thing you know for a fact is that no plane can be seen in any of the forensic evidence prior to the "alleged" impact. and that the forensic evidence available does not support your conclusions on any level.

 

It doesn't matter, that's a strawman. People can't mistake a missile for a passenger jet. Just the idea, in and of itself, is stupid. Just think how absolutely ridiculous that idea sounds. Also, the damage to the building doesn't match missile impact. There were no remnants of a missile found on the crime scene. There was absolutely no vehicle around that could have fired said missile into the pentagon. The generator got bumped, a missile couldn't have hit the light poles. Think of it, koko has been talking about the "Pentagon Lawn Mower". So it's rational to think that a missile went around, banging off of light poles like a pinball, HOWEVER....it's stupid to think that a passenger jet could have ran into them.

Hur hur hur hur the pentagon missile lawn pole mower.

 

No semis huh.... LOL

people can, forensic analysis will not.

you can rationalize whatever crazy scenarios you like, it cannot defeat the evidence.

leaping to conclusions and cherry picking facts does not get you past the fact that the forensic evidence does not support your conclusions. so velly velly solly

 

Forensic and eyewitness evidence prove: AA77 crashed into the Pentagon.

 

no actually it doesnt.

dont ask, been posted already

 

There is no forensic or anecdotal nor photographic evidence of a missile.

FAIL

 

there isnt any of a plane either!

FAIL

 

Radar and eyewitness accounts serve just fine. The fact that you choose not believe them is on you.

 

the only things I believe are things that are gawd awful difficult to fake.

on that note your position fails in EVERY instance.

 

Radar, eyewitness, forensic, human remains, airplane wreckage, black box all prove AA77 impacted the Pentagon.

 

Until you can forensically prove flt 77 actually impacted the rest is meaningless Edit/Unnecessary comment/Stop and you have proven nothing



evidence of plane parts IS NOT EVIDENCE OF A PLANE IMPACT, its really not that hard to grasp.




in fact the evidence proves otherwise, nope no plane here.

forensic evidence trumps witness testimony

nope no plane
so solly

 

Bring some forensic evidence of any other device.

Got rebar?

 

Dont need one, you need to prove the device you claim, its a matter of record.

No plane nada zippo zappo

besides you all should have learned by now that trying to duck out of your burden of proof is a road never traveled.

 

Regarding forensics: The remains of every flight 77 victim but one (a two-year-old) was recovered and positively identified by forensics experts. Personal effects of many survived the crash and fires and were returned to the victims' families.

Victim identification at the Pentagon: http://web.archive.org/web/20060907034559/http://ndms.chepinc.org/data/files/3/266.pdf

 

so you still have no forensic evidence that a plane in fact impacted the pentagon.

evidence of plane parts or body parts, IS NOT EVIDENCE OF A PLANE IMPACT, its really not that hard to grasp.

Got a plane yet?

 

We have eyewitness accounts of a plane coming in and striking the building. We have damage to the building consistent with the impact of an object the size and shape of a 757. We have plane parts and identified remains of the passengers. Under the law (don't give me any crap about your being a lawyer, because all the evidence shows that you are no more a lawyer than John P. Dinatale is a decent Marine Corps veteran) we have proof that it was a 757. You have ear crickets to support the theory that it was not. Case closed.

 

Actually it is because you have no explanation or proof explaining how those part got there. In a court of law, you lame-brain position would get yourself laughed out of court.

 

You claim missile so, where was it launched from, who launched it and what type...or are you just claiming missile? Now show me a missile that leaves a white smoke trail 15 secs after launch.

 

And you seem to dishonestly ignore the evidence.

Airplane fragment in patriotic box
Description: Penny Elgas built a patriotic box to preserve this piece of American Airlines Flight 77, the plane that crashed into the Pentagon.

Context: Driving on a highway adjacent to the Pentagon on the morning of September 11, Penny Elgas stopped as she saw a passenger jet descend, clip a light pole near her, and then crash into the Pentagon. Arriving home, Elgas found this plane fragment in the back seat of her car (she theorizes that it dropped through the open sunroof). Feeling that it was her patriotic duty to preserve the fragment as a relic, she crafted a special box and lined it with red, white, and blue material.


(This part is from the wingtip of a B-757, which was American 77. Notice the phenolic honeycomb.)

 

you dont have a plane impact consistent with a plane impact.

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rummy said it was a missile

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I do not need to explain your claim you do, stop the incessant foolishness

 

and we just happen to have a picture of it too

 

Really? that's complete bull(*)(*)(*)(*). Edit/Unnecessary comment

Provide the quote and then explain how it makes any sense? ...I bet you can't.

no you do because your claim is, a plane didn't crash into the Pentagon, it was a missile. Show me how a cruise missile explosion leaves plane debris.

 

The woman who found that piece witnessed the planes wing clip a light pole...that was the piece of the plane she picked up by the light pole.

Prove that wrong...prove her lying.

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How about .... just for giggles ....
a discussion of how it could happen that the Pentagon could be struck by a commercial airliner
at the angle indicated in all of the documentation on this subject, and punch a hole in the wall,
and then have the wings break off and follow the body of the aircraft into the PENTAGON?
the physics of this B totally amazing, astounding ( pick your word ..... ) whatever.
How can ANYBODY who has so much as an 8th grade education, see this as anything other
than total FRAUD on the part of the mainstream media by presenting this farce to the public.