Can Muslims Ever Be Trusted ? (asked of non-Muslims)

FALSE ! HAHA HA. you have a short memory. You tried to slip that one past me once before and i had to slap your hand. HA HA. Now you get hit again bad boy. It's not just self-defense that the Koran speaks of. Here we go again.

"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. Know that God is with the righteous". Quran 9:123, "Repentance," Dawood, p. 206

"Who dwell around you". so make war on people in your neighborhood who just happen to live near you (not who's attacking you).

"When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them." Quran 9:5; "Repentance," Dawood, p. 186

"lie in ambush" - not very self-defensive.

I said "not Arab", are you blind ?

As for Islamization, you can deny all you want, and the more you do, the more you reveal yourself to be an ignorant fool.

 

Why would you need to say it again ? LOL

 

Um... Okay?

So that's a story on Iran, and the attack of Nigerians by a terrorist group I've never even heard of until today.

That's Irans policy and that terrorist group isn't following the teachings of Islam by killing those innocent people for no reason...

May they rest in Peace

Salam

 

OK so the answer is - yes.

and to elaborate, based on both my contact with muslims in general, and the material you post on this forum, I would trust the average muslim to tell the truth far more than I would trust you.

there's your answer.

now, don't argue with me.

 

Feel the love........

http://www.ajuaa.com/lookme/play.php?vid=153

 

because if you want to know whether you can trust muslims or not ... you should go out and do some primary research!

dhuh!


anyway - it answers my question.

I have spent long periods in three Muslim countries, have worked extensively with Muslims migrating to the west as refugees and through the more usual immigration channels.

Currently I have two staff who are Muslim, and I have many friends and acquaintances who are Muslim.

the picture you paint of Islam and Muslim is completely alien to anything I have come across.

I have come across some quite fundamentalist types - but even these have never supported terrorism, or dubscribed tot he kind of thing you pretend is a "core" value of Islam.

the is, projectionist - you don't know what you are talking about, but you are too scared to ever meet a muslim, so will remain convinced that they are all these nasty evil people with these nasty evil beliefs ...

you should look in the mirror sometime

 

Umm...Iran's judicial system is based on sharia law...

I'm glad I could educate you on a new terrorist group that loves islam....

P.S. If I were you, I wouldn't tell the fellas in Boko Haram that they were not following the correct teachings of Islam, just saying....

 

you are such a troll.

christianity is NOT inherently any more peaceful than Islam as history shows ... and Northern Ireland is a relatively current example of this.

the attitudes many christians have towards other churches may not be violent NOW - but thats more likely the result of living in modern democracies with high standards of living than being inherently related to christianity.

you could try looking at history. its full of it.

You don't understand much, kid.

 

The OP question is can Muslims ever be trusted ? Not do they tell the truth.

1. You admit that the Koran instructs you to beat your wives (in most US states a misdemeanor CRIME punishable by a year in the County jail. If done to a wife (or anyone 65 or over, it's a felony - 5 Years in a state prison) And it is only the US version of the Ali translation that says "lightly". In all other translations of the Koran and original Ali version the word "lightly" is absent.

2. How can you treat a slave with dignity and kindness ? Sheeeesh ! Se how f-cked up in the head these Muslims are ? The mere fact that someone is a slave defines a scenario totally devoid of dignity and kindness. It's also illegal in the USA.

3. No rape is NOT forbidden in Islam.

"Women are your fields: go, then, into your fields whence you please". Quran 2:223, "The Cow," Dawood, p. 34

"From Koran 4:24, it can be rightly assumed, that the Qur'an does not see any wrong-doing in Muslims having sex with captive women even if these women are married and their husbands are still alive. This clearly indicates that the Qur'an allows rape, as captive women can not have any say in case they are exploited by their Muslim masters."
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Rape_in_Islam

4. Pedophilia is NOT forbidden in Islam, in fact, like rape and slavery, the Koran OKs it too. US law doesn't.

"The Qur'an in verse 33:49 states that no 'Iddah is prescribed for a woman who has not had intimate contact with her husband, but goes on to stipulate the 'Iddah for pre-pubescent girls in verse 65:4, meaning: the holiest text of Islam supports marrying and having sex with prepubescent girls. This is definitive proof that the Qur'an endorses pedophilia, the most abominable of all sexual crimes." http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Pedophilia_in_the_Qur'an

5. Eid al-Adha. Also illegal under US animal cruelty laws.

Your casual acceptance of these horrible, immoral, and illegal things, shows that you are just another one of the uncivilized, barbaric savages of the Ummah.

 

I have looked at history and although Islam during the dark ages was the candle of intellectualism it has also constantly been involved in violent conquests.

They have nothing to do with peace.

As for Christians, I did specify modern Christians.
Instead of calling me names how about you post those links?

 

CORRECT. Perfect description of the Muslim mind-set. Uncivilized, barbaric savages.

 

Sigh... Not this again. Same thing with you... Remember that question: why don't you ever post the verses before and after the verses you post?

That applies here. I'll be nice and do it for you...

9:122 And it is not for the believers to go forth [to battle] all at once. For there should separate from every division of them a group [remaining] to obtain understanding in the religion and warn their people when they return to them that they might be cautious.
9:123 O you who have believed, fight those adjacent to you of the disbelievers and let them find in you harshness. And know that Allah is with the righteous.
9:124 And whenever a surah is revealed, there are among the hypocrites those who say, "Which of you has this increased faith?" As for those who believed, it has increased them in faith, while they are rejoicing.

It doesn't say to just randomly kill non-Muslims. THE non-believers which in this case refers to the hypocrites...

9:3 And [it is] an announcement from Allah and His Messenger to the people on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah is disassociated from the disbelievers, and [so is] His Messenger. So if you repent, that is best for you; but if you turn away - then know that you will not cause failure to Allah . And give tidings to those who disbelieve of a painful punishment.
9:4 Excepted are those with whom you made a treaty among the polytheists and then they have not been deficient toward you in anything or supported anyone against you; so complete for them their treaty until their term [has ended]. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him].
9:5 And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
9:6 And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah . Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know.
9:7 How can there be for the polytheists a treaty in the sight of Allah and with His Messenger, except for those with whom you made a treaty at al-Masjid al-Haram? So as long as they are upright toward you, be upright toward them. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him].
9:8 How [can there be a treaty] while, if they gain dominance over you, they do not observe concerning you any pact of kinship or covenant of protection? They satisfy you with their mouths, but their hearts refuse [compliance], and most of them are defiantly disobedient.

So, the Muslims were to respect their treaties with the Pagan tribes nearby, but for the tribes there was no treaties with (and who in turn were attacking the Muslims) we were given permission to fight them.

I feel sorry for you, trying to understand the Quran by reading single verses...

Well you should be asking yourself that question you seems to have trouble understanding certain things which don't agree with your opinions.

Salam

 

No, you would trust me more. I don't talk with taqiyya.

 

more american propaganda on why to hate muslims!

 

Yea right.
Educate ourselves in your trash?

Thats like saying why don't you start reading comic books so you know what you are talking about.

Nobody who is not Muslim gives a (*)(*)(*)(*) about your idiot arguments about lies propped up as some kind of scripture.

They give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about what Muslims do.

So go ahead and talk about all the peace promoted by Islam.
While your busy talking the talk I bet we see your fellow Muslims doing another walk and another major news story about violence committed by Muslims is broken before another week passes.

 

Keywords you just spoke > "I have come across". Problem with you is, you won't read/research any protectionist books or reports or go to any of their websites, so you don't (and won't) "come across" Islamization. Instead, you prefer to comfort yourself, by pretending Islamization doesn't exist, and you banish it from your conciousness. You can do that, but you're just living a lie, and you know it.

And oh there you go again, telling me I don't know what I'm talking about. HA HA. Oh no ? Well I know about >>> Adolpho Aguilar Zinser, Joseph Farah, Nabil al-Marabh, Raed Hijazi, David Harris, Syed Mumtaz Ali, Omar Ahmad, Ibrahim Hooper, Sheikh Mubarak Ali Gilani, Dr. Paul Williams , Hassan al Turabi, Clement Rodney Hampton-El, Kevin James, Warner MacKenzie, Sayeed Abdul A'la Maududi, Abdullah Yusef Ali, Mohammed Marmaduke Pickthall, and Nessim Joseph Dawood. DO YOU ?

And I know about >> Islamic American University, DawaNet-to link • to serve: Home with sections entitled "How to Make America an Islamic Nation" and Da'wa in Public Schools, Excelsior Elementary School, Thomas Moore Law Center, Islamic Saudi Academy, "The Islam Project" by the Council on Islamic Education, the Arab World History Notebook, "Across the Centuries", California Academy of Sciences, "World Cultures : A Global Mosaic", American Textbook Council, "Islam and the Textbooks", Arab American Family Support Center (AAFSC), Mosque of Islamic Brotherhood's Boy Scout program (MIB), and Americans Against Hate. DO YOU ?

I'll answer that. Of course not.

 

nope.

definitely not.

I would probably even trust the more fundamental sorts far more than you.

and I'd rather hang out with them as well.

 

Hey, don't come in and try to BS me, and all the other people here. I already posted your before and afters Koran 4:33, 4:34 and 4:35, so don't give me that crap. And the before and after suras don't change the one in the middle one iota. Kind of a nice try though.

 

No, I'm afraid you're wrong there. The Koran is not "American". LOL.

 

Maybe like some of these guys?????

http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com...head-a-9-year-old-boy-warning-graphic-images/

Click the video and feel that love.......

 

so you read Arabic?

lols I don't think!

FYI - I probably started looking at Islam, from a religious perspective, before you were born. I find a lot to admire in it - but I'm just not into believing in God so its not my thing ... and if I was ... I probably would have stayed a catholic anyway.

and nothing gives you a better understanding of a culture than immersion in that culture.

lols ... so if I said .. I know all about americans ... Jeffrey Dahmer, son of Sam, charles Manson, the unabomber ... that would indicate that I know all there is to know about americans ... wouldn't it?

you remind me of a kid who has just looked up all the naughty words in the dictionary, and then worries that his mummy and daddy are naughty people because they have a book with those words in.

 

but CNN and all the other propaganda filled media stations are american

 

One player got kicked off the team and fined. Another player got suspended for some game and fined. No lashings. No jail term.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/sports/2011-11/06/c_131231403.htm

Would you trust a liar?

1. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hp8t37MuLm0"]Yusuf Estes Husband wife in Islam Qur'an 4:34 - YouTube[/ame]

2. http://www.beautifulislam.net/prophethood/muhammad_mercy.htm

3. http://www.call-to-monotheism.com/surah_2__verse_223

4. http://islamic-replies.ucoz.com/Rebut_WikiIslam_Pedophilia_Quran.html

5. http://www.halaljournal.com/article/3360/halal:-the-most-humane-slaughter

Proud Muslims, you are right about that.

Salam

 

Oh wow. What did CNN do now ? Why pick on them ?

 

Proof is always a good thing.

here is proof that americans are stupid.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJ3RrqBqk14"]Chasers : War on Everything -Americans - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qv8yLT6jM04"]The Chaser Americans show their stupidity in regards to 9/11 - YouTube[/ame]

its amazing what you can prove with a video.