Can We Fix It?

Discussion in 'Elections & Campaigns' started by PatriotNews, Nov 7, 2012.

  1. RPA1

    RPA1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Anyone who voted for Obamoron SHOULD be talked down to until they understand what a stoooooopid uninformed vote they cast.
     
  2. RPA1

    RPA1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is darn difficult for any conservative candidate to swim against the main stream media's constant flow of left-wing propaganda presented as 'objective.' Romney did better than I expected him to do and has shown himself to be an honest, decent human being.
     
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    Only half? I would say 80% and they are Democrats and Republicans!
     
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    Wow,

    the hard right republicans have to blame everybody but themselves. they are so entrenched that they can't possibly see that their policies are not the policies of the vast majority of americans.

    No, it couldn't be their candidate. It couldn't be that the other side ran a way better campaign.

    Oh no, it has to be because everyone that didn't agree with them was stupid. NOt only stupid but now the whole world is going to collapse in another four years.

    Considering that, why aren't you guys happy as pigs. Armaggedon is coming within four years. Yes judgement day shall be upon us and the righteous like you guys will be ascending to heaven to live out your lives in paradise, while all those dern dems will be roasting in eternal hell.

    My my. You republicans with your whining have demonstrated exactly what is wrong with America.

    NOBODY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR FAILURES AND NOBODY CONTRIBUTES TO THEIR SUCCESSES.

    Why don't you all grow some balls, stand up, dust yourself off, spend some time contemplating what happened, why some messages fell on deaf ears, why some messages didn't get to the right people, why the dem ground game was so much superior, why you couldn't break thru with more positive media coverage.

    Quit with the navel gazing, stand up as proud americans and work towards solving the problems instead of whinging. Look up compromise in the dictionary. I think its right after common sense. Take your participation and citizenship seriously even tho it didn't go your way and work for the betterment of all, instead of just your own little kaffeekaltch.

    Amen.
     
  5. squidward

    squidward Well-Known Member

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    Romney couldn't escape the rich white guy who shuts down factories and ruins people's lives rap.
    Obama barely had to show up in this campaign.

    The republican party leadership is either not too bright, or engaged in a two party charade.
    I vote for number two. Nobody in their right mind would have let Romney represent their party's bid for the white house.
    His honesty and decency has little to do with it.
     
  6. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh .. sorry .. I forgot that we are supposed to cower in fear and bankrupt the country and institute a police state (homeland security/Fatherland security) because of one terrorist act against us.

    Then, because we are a bunch of stupid scardy cats, we are supposed to support a war against a country that had nothing to do with 911.
     
  7. squidward

    squidward Well-Known Member

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    the vast majority of americans just want free stuff, and are willing to trade their freedoms for it.
    In addition to direct handouts, they want zero percent interest, access credit that never ends, and a persistent standard of living well beyond their incomes.
     
  8. MAcc2007

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    Our message fell on deaf ears because those votes had been purchased through an unnecessary bail out of the auto industry. Many women proved they were the sum of the reproductive organs voting to force others to pay for birth control. College-age kids proved they deserve to have substantial unemployment for the jobs they are studying for. Blacks voted for the obvious reason. Latinos voted on the hope and change that was promised four years ago and never delivered (si se puede). Record numbers of Americans get free hand outs from the government. Obama's campaign ran more like a high school popularity contest with rapper Jay-Z running election events singing to retarded masses "I got 99 problems but a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) aint one." Not to mention the media is so far in the tank for Obama that no opposing politician has a chance at a fair shot (did you notice how badly Obama was beat in that first debate? Yeah, that was because the media had portrayed Romney as an "etch-a-sketch" with no substance and when America finally got to see Romney they realized how deceived they were by the media).

    What responsible politician is going to change their message to appeal to the least common denominator? I have a full-time job, a wife, and three children whose future depends on me voting for the most responsible and capable candidate. I want my kids to grow up in the free country in which I was raised.

    That means I'm not going to vote for the candidate who treats the election like a popularity contest. I'm not going to vote for the guy who borrows from China to buy votes in swing states. I'm not going to vote for the guy who believes we need more rap music, whose main theme is truly denigrating to women. And I'm sure as (*)(*)(*)(*) not going to vote for the guy who forces Americans to buy products against their will.

    I'm glad that I had at least one good option in this election and I truly hope that at least one party will put up a good candidate in the next election, though I really doubt the democrats will put up somebody I can trust.
     
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    This is completely accurate. People have voted to trade their freedom to make something of their own work for some free stuff. In fact, we just witnessed that enough votes are now being purchased to win an election.
     
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    Enough votes are being purchased to get 95% of the electorate on board.
     
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    No apostrophe.
     
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    I think the majority of those who voted for the President did so because they believe that he best represents both the national and their own interests. The same is true of those who voted for Romney. Saying that people who have a different view than you do are stupid or evil is counterproductive if you want to convince them that they should agree with you. It is almost certainly wrong as well. Obama is mildly liberal for the USA but would be centrist or slightly to right of center in the majority of nations with a democratic government. Foreigner's have just as much a right to an opinion about the wisdom of your comments as do your fellow citizens of the USA (such as me).
     
  13. PatriotNews

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    This from someone who still believes that he is an American despite everything he has done to prove otherwise.
     
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    Mildly liberal? The idiot president forced the nationalization of healthcare on the entire nation against the will of more than 50% of us. That is not mildly liberal. That is extremist liberal. How could he be more liberal? I won't say that you are stupid, I will just assume that you are uninformed.

    Most of those who voted for the kenyan president did so because they are really stupid. Most could not pick out the state of Texas on a map. They are complete idiots. I know, I am around them all the time. Half of them do not understand the issues at all. They think republicans are for the rich and the democrats are for the poor (the truth is republicans would like to make you rich, and the democrats want to make you poor). That is how their parents taught them so that is how they vote. They were born democrats and raised in a democrat household and so that is why they vote democrat, because they were born on that team. That is their entire understanding of politics. It's like being born an Oakland Raiders fan. They have to stay that way, even if the team moves to Los Angeles. Even if the team totally sucks.
     
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    The democrat had a successful get out the moron idiot vote campaign. With a couple of states passing legalized marijuana they even managed to get the stoners off the couch to vote this time. Women actually went to the polls because they thought that Romney was going to take away their tampons and their birth control. If idiots like those alone had stayed home, we would have won.

    You want us to stand up and solve the problem? What do you think the Tea Party movement is about? Oh rights, many idiots who voted for the kenyan for president think the Tea Party is the KKK even though there are members of all races who are in the Tea Party. (And even though the KKK is affiliated with the democrat party). We'll solve the problem by fighting democrats on every level even harder so that we can save this nation before all of our freedoms are taken by NAZI socialist like the kenyan.
     
  16. RPA1

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    His honesty and decency has EVERYTHING to do with it. America is moving away from liberal-socialism. These next 4 years are going to be rough going......for Obama.
     
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    PatriotNews Well-Known Member

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    See, that just goes to show you how stupid people who voted for obama are. Romney never called 47% slackers. He was saying that there are 47% who vote democrat, and 47% who vote for republicans every election. He was saying that we have to go after those in the middle. Now most voters don't know any of the gaffes that obama made because they get their news from mainstream media who don't report any of his gaffes.

    If you want to talk about arrogant snobs, they why would you vote for someone who characterized Pennsylvania voters in a fundraiser full of San Francisco millionaires as people who "cling to 'their religion' and their guns"? That is one gaffe the media didn't play much. But their were many more gaffes from obama than Romney.
     
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    Did you hear about Lindsay Lohan adopting that new three legged pitbull ? OMG ! OMG !!!
    Idiots.
     
  19. Steady Pie

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    No!

    You assume that the Republicans are fiscally responsible, when in fact they're just as irresponsible as the Democrats, just in a different way. They refuse to raise taxes and instead pay for spending programs through borrowing and printing money. Spending goes up regardless of who is in Congress or the Presidency (with a few exceptions).

    Us_gov_spending_history_1902_2010.png

    Instead what we need to do is stop spending. How do you do this? Well, you start by not spending ridiculous amounts of money on the military just to maintain a Keynesian bubble and hold onto irrational ambitions in the Middle East. Then you get rid of entitlement spending (let the states go into such things should they wish), maintain a moderate tax level until the national debt is payed off, then you have a small government.

    Of course, some of these spending programs are the planning of either party. The Democrats generally prefer to be involved in entitlements while the Republicans are ambitious with the military - but both sides maintain each other's programs when in office themselves.

    It's time for another choice. The two parties are to blame collectively.
     
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    There is more than enough blame to go around. A polarized confirmation bias from a proponent of either side can make it easy to obscure and dismiss any true points you make because you're not looking at the whole picture.
     
  21. PatriotNews

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    I KNOW that the republicans are fiscally responsible. It was the republicans who took over the house in '94 that forced Clinton to balance the budget:

    [video=youtube;wFKskm0YcZM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFKskm0YcZM[/video]

    They balanced the budget in 3 years, even with all the tax cuts and meeting all his obligations to the elderly that he stated he wanted agreement on.

    Also, look at states that are controlled by republican governors vs democrat governors. Republicans have balanced budgets while all the states that have democrat governors are heavily taxed and still have deficits.
     
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    Not true... You couldn't have possibly screwed up the budget during the dotcom boom... there was just too much money being made.
     
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    Your funny .. Republicans are responsible for the majority of the debt .. da numbers dont lie.

    Your not doing credibility any favors by posting a link to Rush.
     
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    lol. He was born here. He showed his birth certificate. Deal with it.
     
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    I guess it took 24 hours for the shock to wear off for Republican voters and the anger to set in. Perhaps if the Republicans had been more interested in getting elected and less interested in appearing to be ideologically pure they might have won (how does turning the term RINO into a swear word win votes). Perhaps if the Republicans had been more willing to work with the Democrats in Congress and not turn everything into a show down (dozens of votes condemning Obamacare, guys?) they might have won the election. And perhaps if they had put the interests of middle class Americans ahead of the interests of the very rich the Republicans might have won the election.

    It's not the partisan 40% of Democrats that lost the election for Republicans; it was the failure to win over enough Independents that cost Romney the job of President and kept the Democrats healthy in the Senate. Instead of whining over the evil majority, Republicans should be busy trying to figure out what they did to drive away swing voters.
     

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