Can we have a civil, thoughtful discussion on this?

yes taking someones private property is wrong and leads to war. If lions enter into anothers territory a war will occur

 

yes obviously he built it on land and the 2 can't be separated without upsetting the lion or squirrel or man.

 

What on earth do you incorrectly imagine you think you might be talking about? We'd all be dead if we all tried to breathe the same air, too. That doesn't mean we have no natural right to breathe whatever air we want.

Geeez. How much more absurd and anti-rational are you going to get?

Which is why landowners murdering millions of innocent people every year is not natural.
1 million landless people murdered by landowners + 1 million landless people murdered by landowners = 2 million landless people murdered by landowners.

 

as I said a bird will protect his private territory so it is 10000% natural

 

actually land and air are very different things I hope you don't need an explanation??

 

why such a secret where these millions of innocents are buried?????? Is this something only you know about?

 

I didn't forget; that's just you makin' $#!+ up again. I already stipulated that if you don't believe people have equal rights to liberty we can talk about that, and why people have rights. So please do not make so many false claims about what I have plainly written.

I have a very good idea: it enhances reproductive success.

It is self-evident and indisputable that the landowner (or government acting on his behalf) forcibly deprives us of our liberty to use privately owned land.

No.

Yes.

I don't think communism is relevant, but we can talk about it if you think it is.

Far, far more than you.

 

yes sometimes force and sometimes not but in the natural order of evolution but the idea that mankind should step in at a certain point to legalize constant war to determine land ownership between wars is more suicidal than evolutionary, Do you know about evolution???

 

Irrelevant gibberish.

Wrong. Private ownership of land impinges on -- in fact, removes -- others' freedom, and is required under capitalism.

 

They are buried in every country where land is privately owned, and government does not intervene massively in the economy to rescue the landless from enslavement and murder by landowners.

Not many are intelligent enough to put the pieces together.

 

Territoriality is not property.

 

equal right to liberty but not the right to steal the place on which another man sleeps

 

So now the landless must be murdered in order to avoid "upsetting" the greedy, evil, murdering landowner?

 

It is the landowner who steals locations, no one else.

 

sure it is animals don't have money but we did evolve from them/ Aristiotle observed both and found them similar. Can you understand evolution and use it to see man's true nature from which Aristotle and Jefferson derived natural law ?

 

Like the Civil War, in which private property in others' rights to liberty was taken away. If those who want to own others' rights to liberty try to sustain their ownership by force, there is certainly a good precedent for resisting them by force.

But no other lion will intervene. That's what makes it territory, and not property.

 

we say that if a man buys something he did not steal it. Do you understand this simple concept??

 

False.

There was no "your" land. You are objectively wrong.

There was no such private property. Communal territory is not private property.

 

no idea why you are changing the subject to Civil War which had nothing to do with property??

 

<sigh> I need to USE land to sleep on, not to OWN it.

YOU KNOW THIS.

 

so when beavers build a dam it is not their dam and Aristotle was wrong? this does not parallel humans building a house

 

That's just clearly false. Most animals are not even territorial. Your claims are becoming more and more absurd, as I warned you they would.

No, that is objectively false. People worked, lived, and slept on land that was not private property for millions of years.

You are just saying anything, now.

 

<sigh> Use is not ownership. Territory is not property. Your claims are absurd.

 

Incomprehensible gibberish.

 

then why do most animals and humans go back to the same place every night to sleep??? if the have the right to go there then they in effect have the right to control it or own it