Can you name something "Good" about Islam?

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  1. dairyair

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    So christian history is of no relevance.
    Yes, we are are responsible for stalin. Especially if nothing is learned from it.
     
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    Hypocrisy. It is what some christians seem to thrive on. Well those who claim to be christian. Not really sure they are.
     
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    That is one spin of the 3 religions believing in the same God.

    As stated above. A different spin. You avoided to answer. Do all 3 believe that God of abraham is their God? And creator of the universe? To educated folks the answer is an absolute YES.
    I assume you agree or else you'd answered NO.

    Oh not a God religion. Interesting.

    Hating doesn't change reality. Christians killed supposed witches. And that is only 1 thing they did. Some christians today kill folks of other color or sexual preferences.
     
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    It is truly an insult to human intelligence the way some folks think.
     
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    Something good about Islam?

    It, like Christianity, encourages certain positive moral and social values.
     
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    Not even all Christians agree on this, as you must know.

    http://jesus-messiah.com/apologetics/catholic/trinity.html

    Bloody wars have been fought over this and other doctrinal issues within Christianity.
     
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    Calling people names is no way to win an argument. Refuting said argument with facts and evidence is. But we both know you can't do that.

    Some are, but we now much more about that period of history than we used to. Revisionist history is not always a bad thing by the way.

    My mistake. Western civ text books do mention dark ages, but it mostly has to do with the dark age in Ancient Greece after the collapse of the Mycenae Civilization 3000 years ago. That is a true dark age because we know little about the period of history. The same can't be said of the so called "dark ages" of Europe. Historians refer to that period as the early Middle Ages.

    Here's another link:

    http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/151663/Dark-Ages

    Are you going to call the Encyclopedia Britanica an idiot as well?
     
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    Well, it's not like your average scientists were peasants. They were priests.




    Is it?

    http://definitions.uslegal.com/c/corpus-juris-civilis/
     
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    Never heard of that group. Christians believe in the Trinity. I didn't decide that, the Council of Nicea did.
     
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    *L* This has never been a settled issue within Christianity. Not every Christian is beholden to the Council of Nicea.
     
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    It is why christianity has issues. Most don't know the history of christianity or how it came to be. They just blindly accept dogma taught to them by their parents and clergy.
     
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    Not to mention....the "inerrant word of god" is decided upon by man. How funny.
     
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    And each man decides for themselves which 'inerrant' words are literal or not. Some even mistranslate and/or misinterpret the words.
     
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    Why would I do that as the Encyclopedia complies exactly with the definition of Dark age that I a gave you.

    What is idiocy is to claim that history books do not talk about dark ages throughout history whether it be in Sumeria around 2100 BC. Greece around 1000-700 BC or the early mid evil period given in the link

    What is an obvious fact is that I am an idiot for continuing this discussion for so long.
     
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    I never said there were no dark ages. I in fact did mention the dark age of Ancient Greece. The Middle Ages is the topic of discussion. The other ones are irrelevant in this conversation.
     
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    Way to demonstrate you have no clue what you're talking about.
     
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    Then why not make an argument that shows this? You haven't made one here.
    You have just whined.
     
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    Because it ususally doesn't do any good with you. The three great ecumenical creeds, the Apostles’ Creed, the Nicene Creed, and the Athanasian Creed, are all quite clear on the Trinity, so to say this isn't settled is ludicrous. Citing non-Christians doesn't help your case.

    I thought this thread was about Islam, why the goal post moving?
     
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    I'm responding to your post, so if the goalpost moved, you moved it.
    Ain't the truth incovenient?
    You only make arguments when you know you can persuade someone to your way of thinking?
    You should probably remain silent then.
     
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    You wish, you could get away with your errors easier.
     
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    Point them out.
    Once again, you aren't making any kind of argument.
     
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nontrinitarianism

    Nontrinitarianism (or antitrinitarianism) refers to monotheistic belief systems, primarily within Christianity, which reject the mainstream Christian doctrine of the Trinity, namely, the teaching that God is three distinct hypostases or persons who are co-eternal, co-equal, and indivisibly united in one being or ousia.

    According to churches that consider ecumenical council decisions final, trinitarianism was infallibly defined at the 4th-century ecumenical councils,[1][2][3] that of First Council of Nicaea, which declared the full divinity of the Son,[4] and the First Council of Constantinople, which declared the divinity of the Holy Spirit.[5] Some councils later than that of Nicaea (325) but earlier than that of Constantinople (381), such as the Council of Rimini (359), which has been described as "the crowning victory of Arianism",[6] disagreed with the Trinitarian formula of the Council of Nicaea. Nontrinitarians disagree with the findings of the Trinitarian Councils for various reasons, including the belief that the writings of the Bible takes precedence over creeds, or that there was a Great Apostasy prior to the Council. Church and State in Europe and the Middle East suppressed nontrinitarian belief as heresy from the 4th to 18th century, notably with regard to Arianism,[7][8] the teaching of Michael Servetus[9] and Catharism.[10] Today nontrinitarians represent a minority of professed Christians.

    Nontrinitarian views differ widely on the nature of God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. Various nontrinitarian views, such as Adoptionism, Monarchianism, and Subordinationism existed prior to the formal definition of the Trinity doctrine in A.D. 325, 360, and 431, at the Councils of Nicaea, Constantinople, and Ephesus.[11] Nontrinitarianism was later renewed in the Gnosticism of the Cathars in the 11th through 13th centuries, in the Age of Enlightenment of the 18th century, and in some groups arising during the Second Great Awakening of the 19th century.

    Modern nontrinitarian Christian groups or denominations include Christadelphians, Christian Scientists, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Dawn Bible Students, Friends General Conference, Iglesia ni Cristo, Jehovah's Witnesses, Living Church of God, Oneness Pentecostals, Members Church of God International, Unitarian Universalist Christians, The Way International, The Church of God, International and the United Church of God. Also, all branches of Judaism are non-trinitarian, and consider the God of the Hebrew Scriptures to be one singular Person, with no divisions, or multi-persons within. Islam considers Jesus to be a prophet but not divine.[12] It has been described as anti-Trinitarian when compared to Christianity, or in books written for a Western audience: Islam teaches the absolute indivisibility of a supremely sovereign and transcendent god (see God in Islam),[13] and is further distinctly antitrinitarian as several verses of the Qur'an teach that the doctrine of Trinity is blasphemous.[14]
     
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    What we know about religion, all religions, is that they provide a pre-defined "morality" for those either unwilling or incapable of establishing their own moral values. Followers don't have to "think" about morality because someone else has thought about it for them. Of course they can misunderstand what someone else has said and sometimes what someone else said isn't exactly "moral" but is accepted by the religious follower. To some extent this is "good" because it does provide a "moral compass" for the person even if it contains minor flaws.

    We can also note that "religions" have often been used as a rationalization for atrocities and oppression by individuals. During the Crusades, for example, both the Muslims and the Christians committed atrocities that were rationalized by "religious" beliefs.

    Islamic and Christian religions are not different but indentical in this regard. Both advocate a morality for the person that is good albeit sometimes with minor flaws and both have been misused to rationalize atrocities and oppression.
     
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    They don't have to 'think' about their morals because their morals are based on perfection. They do however have to think about whether their actions conform to their morals.
     

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