Capitalism, A Worker's Best Friend?

Essentially international corporate conglomerates have taken over and hijacked all western governments.

I know your pain man......

 

Socialism involves vibrant political economy, from market variety consistent with Austrian economics to the Christian focus on morality.

And in contrast? You have conspiracy theory based hatred....

 

Government tends to incubate a unified corrupt ruling political class.

 

Corporations are just dairy cows for the politicians who milk them. They have no real power.

“Politics in modern America has become a lucrative business, an industry that has less to do with policy and a lot more to do with accessing money and favors. … bills and regulations are often introduced not to affect policy change, but as vehicles for shaking down people for … money and favors. Indeed, the motive on both sides often has nothing to do with creating a “correct” policy but instead is often about maximizing profits.” EXTORTION, "How Politicians Extract Your money, Buy Votes, And Line Their Own Pockets, Peter Schweizer, HMO, NY, NY, 2013, p. 4.

 

So foreign population replacement is now conspiracy?

Well I can certainly see where this conversation is going to develop...

If Christian morality allows western civilization to be destroyed, what does that say for its morals?

 

Given the antisemitic trope merely illustrated how the fascists haven't evolved.

I predict you will continue to try and smooch, but that fascist hate will continue to seep through.

First, you haven't referred to the point (ie Christian Socialism). Second, you've gone off on one. Fascism for you I suppose...

 

Yes, it's not like Jews aren't the biggest promoters of foreign immigration and globalism on the west in overrepresentation. Oh wait......

Yes, you can't explain the inadequacies or hypocrisy of such morals.










Bonus Video

 

"Them Jews are to blame"! Crikey, can't right wingers be more original in their conspiracies?

 

You're swimming in a sea of denial, you can't deny reality forever.

 

That'll win me over! Crikey, you make the "that flag on the moon" conspiracy theorists look relatively credible...

 

Wasn't meant to win you over on anything, it was meant to make a point which you refuse to address.

 

Sorry, I treat antisemitic tropes for what they are. Why you insist on giving this hate on an economics sub-forum is beyond me mind you. Perhaps you'd like to refer to an economic source that supports your position? Try to ensure its more credible than Stormfront....

 

Cute.

 

So you can't support your position with economic sources? What a shocker!

 

Yes, it was rather depressing to see it so overtly practiced.

 

I have plenty of economic positions beyond my more ethnocentric nationalist political beliefs but to be honest I've lost all interest in conversing with you any further.

 

Asked for economic support, you blubber? What a surprise!

The trouble with reliance on antisemitic trope is that you're not left with any logical counter.

 

Going back on topic, what I find interesting about economic capitalism here in the modern west is the plight of the working class.

Workers wages have stagnated going on forty five years but the costs of rent, education, and social mobility have all gone up financially in a very dramatic manner.

With stagnant wages of the past forty five years we see a dramatic increase in costs of rent, utilities, education, healthcare, inflation, standard of living, and taxation to which millions of people live paycheck to paycheck with no financial savings whatsoever where they're one paycheck away from living in the streets in utter loss or destitution. One wonders if workers work for free or basically nothing at all because after their monthly basic expenditures they have no money left at all to do much of anything concerning starting their own businesses, pursuing education, or pursuing any kind of entrepreneurship.

Do modern workers in the west essentially work for free? I've been asking myself that a lot these recent days.

In the old days on a colonial plantation model the plantation owner would provide food, housing, and basic needs of their working owned slaves provided they service them labor.

Under the modern corporatist model of capitalism workers with their stagnant wages pay for all of their monthly expenses on their own for the most part having nothing left over to advance themselves while still servicing their labor to businesses.

Now the capitalists and libertarians will talk about the ills of government public social welfare in all of the poultry financial aid sum that comes from the state but in a nation like the United States where public social welfare financially is a minimum compared to other western industrial nations really all that entails is anti rioting money distributed out to subdue the working class into a sort of complacency to authority.

Now the boomer aging supporters of libertarianism and capitalism would say get two to three jobs if you have to financially survive where one wonders when such people doing all of that have the time to even sleep let alone live but of course in an economy where it is hard to even find a single job let a lone a full time one where most are part time in low income this is just plain absurdity denying the underlying issues.

One just very well wonders how impoverishing fifty percent of the population in squalor how they plan on having any resemblance of a functioning economy since such thing can only lead to crippling financial burden, societal disruption, and eventually revolutionary insurrection.

 

Zero reference to policy response mind you. At least steal some ideas from the left to maintain the pretense

 

The working class can't even afford basic healthcare and even if they apply for state healthcare on public welfare what it covers is the bare minimum and does nothing for emergency medical events not to mention the receiver still has to pay for a small percentage of copay.

The message is quite clear from the financial oligarchy and corporatist model of capitalism to the working class, you can get sick and end up in an emergency medical situation where you can die for all they care where often enough many do to lack of treatment every year.

 

Still no actual content in terms of policy. Want to sort out health? Support a national health care system, capable of twinning economies of scale efficiency with equity demands. Want to attack neoliberalism? Offer a social democratic alternative which promotes democracy through economic organisation etc etc etc

 

In the era of post modernism where technology and automation is setting up a dangerous precedent of taking over all of society they say that in order for the working class to have any kind of social mobility they must acquire education.

Everywhere they say there is a shortage of workers with the necessary skills or education to function and exist in this modern technological economy.

Well if workers can barely afford to take care of themselves every month in barely being able to afford a roof over their heads, are they really going to have enough time, resources, or money to even pursue higher education at all?

Well then they say take out a bank or government loan to acquire an education and degree but of course loans have to be paid back with interest where once acquiring an education people spend the next twenty years or more trying to pay them back. With such economic destruction and malfeasance even acquiring a degree is no guarantee of a job anymore making the prospects of financial loans for education all the more troubling.

One begins to question, what kind of society do we live in where we monetize education to such a degree where we punish those who pursue it.

 

I actually do support national healthcare and education.

There are many problems with democracy at a state level but this thread isn't the place for discussing them.

The only democratic principles I do support is a democratic workplace concerning the collective bargaining power of workers which becomes regulated by the state in oversight.

 

You don't get democracy with collective bargaining. It's an insufficient condition. See, for example, the monopoly union model where unions merely have partial control over wage rates. Alternatively, compare it with classical economics where bargaining is only over the severity of underpayment.

 

You do if you make the workers themselves shareholders and essentially cut out the middle man of union representatives.