Challenge "the quran"

dont try talking logic to a Muslim... they are so fanatical about their religion that they take pleasure in blowing themselves up in the name of some phoney god...

silly

 

I didn't mean alleged choice for Allah, I meant alleged Choice for us mere humans. That is the point, Allah chose, not humans. (not in that verse anyway)

 

why...that challenge in the koran almost makes it sound like the koran is untrustworthy, doesn't it, response?

 

Who needs an old video of a striding donkey, the miracle is within the use an inhuman maniac's "speech or literature that goes against the wants of a mass of people, that is invented by a" psychopath "to inspire enough followers amongst them to conquer a nation," and all we need for proof that the literature was the word of that Satanic god is "a hands-on eyewitness account" of the slaughter.

"Thus the challenge is to produce something which is as inspirational as the qur'an, for it's the inspiration of the qur'an which is miraculous. And what is that miracle you ask? The miracle is within the following:

'It is humanly impossible for a person/s to use speech or literature that goes against the wants of a mass of people, that is invented by a person/s, to inspire enough followers amongst them to conquer a nation.'"

Since it is humanly impossible for a person to use speech or literature that goes against the wants of a mass of people, that is invented by a person, to inspire enough followers amongst them to conquer a nation, therefore, no human can meet the challenge, consequently, according to the scientific method the challenge can not be tested and verified by a human as proof of anything.

Since no human can meet the challenge, since Fatihah has "the qur'an challenge that can be tested and verified as proof that the Qur'an is the true word of Allah," therefore, there must be more than one god for one to test and verify the proof of the other, consequently, Fatihah is a polytheist, and Allah cannot be his only god.

 

Actually, I am quite serious. The main reason I asked was to give the person a chance to back up his claim. Most of the time people claim the bible has been tampered with, they never come with any proof.

Constantine was not a dictator. Thats something that ended with Julius Ceasar. The scriptures where written centuries before Constantine. The question was what went into the bible. This was decided decades AFTER Constantine by the way.

We can verify the authenticity of the scriptures by comparing them to the several papyrus fragments scattered throughout the earliest centuries of Christianity as well as writings from early Christian writers in Christian antiquity.

 

i might as well add challenges; since no one answered the ones
that are posted before...

i will share the experience of millions of practicing muslims...
in fact turn it into a challenge insaAllah...

do you know what practicing muslims do every day?

they stand in front of Allah (God) 5 times -facing qiblah-;
and perform salah (prayer)...

maybe you have seen on tv; muslims bowing, standing, prostrating,
reciting parts of the qur'an, etc... that's the one. you may do it alone
or you may do it with the congregation...

anyway... a practicing muslim has to recite 40+ (fourty) times
the same verses, every day in his prayers; then some more qur'an.

i am talking about the surah el-fatiha

now...

show a 7 line (each line formed of 5-10 words) piece of litterature,
poetry, prose anything... or a song.

that you will recite 40+ (fourty) times a day for the rest of your life
and you won't get bored. not just you, millions of people.

show a piece of written art form that if you repeat it 40+ times a day,
exactly the same way, you won't get tired of it.

personally, i have never witnessed this happening apart from the qur'an.
share your experience...

to listen the surah i meantioned: http://tinyurl.com/7tl25db

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those challenges aside;
they are just to make a point.
they won't mean anything to some.
but some will take a look and try to at least understand muslims better.

regards.

 

Response: Once again, the proof is in the challenge presented in the OP. The same challenege you and every non-muslim has been ducking and dodging, for fear of being exposed.

 

Response: To the contrary, the challenge presented in the OP can be tested and verified through the scientific method that the Qur'an is the true word of Allah. Therefore, it is rather the delusion of non-muslims like yourself that is ilogical, for the Qur'an is proven, supported by your ducking and dodging to answer the challenge. Thanks for the clarification.

 

Response: To the contrary, humans do choose. Thus your point fails.

 

Response: In other words, another sad non-muslim runs in the corner from the challenge. The denial is uncanny.

 

Response: Now the deluded non-muslim, instead of answering the challenge because he CLEARLY can not, now tries to justify his absurdity by saying that the challenge means that there is more than one God because one God has to test the other to confirm if the proof is correct. Sheer idiocy. For proof is based on facts, not another God. If it was, then according to your logic, you have absolutely no proof of anything, because you have no proof another God exists. Debunked as usual.

Thus we once again see another deluded non-muslim run from the challenge, thus confirming his denial to the fact that the challenge that proves the Qur'an is the true word of Allah is still valid.

 

How amusing. Non-muslis forever clai that there is no proof that the Qur'an is the true word of Allah and that it is man-made, yet when presented the challenge of the Qur'an to prove otherwise.....Every single non-muslim....runs from the challenge. Not one makes an attempt. The reason is amusingly obvious. All talk, but no action. Who would of thought that the best way to run off a non-muslim was to simply bring the truth.

 

Since nobody can meet the challenge "to produce something which is as inspirational as the qur'an," in every language, that tests and verifies by scientific method the qur'an challenge, therefore, Allah is not a God and MoHamMad was a false prophet.

It must be true, because if the Koran is the word of Allah or a God it would not have been hard for God to make be an Arabian "be" with a foreign tongue:

"041.044
YUSUFALI: Had We sent this as a Qur'an (in the language) other than Arabic, they would have said: "Why are not its verses explained in detail? What! (a Book) not in Arabic and (a Messenger an Arab?" Say: "It is a Guide and a Healing to those who believe; and for those who believe not, there is a deafness in their ears, and it is blindness in their (eyes): They are (as it were) being called from a place far distant!"
PICKTHAL: And if We had appointed it a Lecture in a foreign tongue they would assuredly have said: If only its verses were expounded (so that we might understand)? What! A foreign tongue and an Arab? - Say unto them (O Muhammad): For those who believe it is a guidance and a healing; and as for those who disbelieve, there is a deafness in their ears, and it is blindness for them. Such are called to from afar.
SHAKIR: And if We had made it a Quran in a foreign tongue, they would certainly have said: Why have not its communications been made clear? What! a foreign (tongue) and an Arabian! Say: It is to those who believe a guidance and a healing; and (as for) those who do not believe, there is a heaviness in their ears and it is obscure to them; these shall be called to from a far-off place." http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/quran/verses/041-qmt.php

But, look, it was impossible!

"[3.47] She said: My Lord! when shall there be a son (born) to I me, and man has not touched me? He said: Even so, Allah creates what He pleases; when He has decreed a matter, He only says to it, Be, and it is."

Can make him be, but not an Arabian capable of an inspirational Koran in a foreign tongue? Must have been too hard.

Proof that the challenge "to produce something which is as inspirational as the qur'an" cannot be done, is not proof the Koran is the word of a God, it is only proof that the construct called "Allah" is not the god of anything other than a fanciful Arabian.

What do you want us to do, beguile people with verses to slay the Moslems:

"The Leech does bleed and sap the soul,
With 'Laissez-faire' of striving “war,”
In endless horror what’s the goal,
To kill forever evermore?
Of arms do sing men of honor,
Of dieing young for lying scum,
Of spit and anti-war banner,
To preserve butcher of Islam!
To cleaning women cry beware,
You’re the target till evil dies,
For never a tyrant despair,
When liberals do rule your skies.
Never social justice secure,
Liberal arts of 'war' endure!" (10/03/2002)

I have no desire to make war.

"Soothing or expelling what we relate,
Truth lies in life as in debates:
Order to accept the tyrants or not?
Playing with torrents or dribbling snot,
We cry for blood in drops or lots.
Arm it or stop it, the stomach rules,
Ready to throw-up for other fools.
Never to finish the liberal rants,
Over with war the conservative chants:
War forever or kill the tyrants!

In debates on war the stifling of a nasty discharge would be hawking phlegm for evil!" (02/22/2003)

I will just stick with the Lord's Prayer and Psalm's 23.

Now if Moslems want to quit playing games of silly illogic, we might be able to find some common ground in our respective texts and beliefs. Praise be to the Arab Spring! Of that even I can sing. Otherwise fee-fi-fo-fum their Koran and their so-called "Religion" is of no use to me.

 

When your little "g" god makes something in English, which he cannot, then you will have a proof. Until then you have no proof. {period}

 

Response: Yet the fact that the challenge provides a hands-on eyewitness account that the spread of islam by Muhammad by using the qur'an proves otherwise, while your ducking and dodging of the challenge supports the fact that even you yourself see it as so. Otherwise, you would have attempted the challenge by now, instead of running. Thanks for clarifying.

 

Response: The deluded non-muslim dodges the challenge once again, thus confirming his denial to the fact that the qur'an is the true word of Allah. For the challenge is for you to conquer a nation by inspiring followers to do so from amongst a mass of people who received your human-made speech/literature that goes against their wants, as proof that such an act is possible.. So did you conquer any nation yet by inspiring followers to follow your human-made speech/literature? No. Thus your own failed attempt confirms the fact that the spread of islam by Muhammad by using the qur'an was a miracle, thus proving that the Qur'an is the true word of Allah, since it is also free of error. Thanks for the clarification.

 

nothing to challenge

i knew i was wrong with 27, sooo ooops!

jinn are lies that mislead people.

that's the spirit of 'jinn' (the lie)

sounds almost 'jewish' (hebrew)

nothing miraculous about either!

same with the commands, the creed.

many jews must write a torah on one pass.

What is the miracle?

already did. The torah

If you know the book so well then what is the second creation?

if you know the book so well or did you forget to be honest before posting

 

that is a lie.

there is a fact

 

who?

muhammad was not the last prophet.

That be a claims by a moron, book or god if they told you that?

 

cant' and he knows it.

ie.. gabby was the middle man (per se)

 

it's called "wasting life, kissing the dirt"

honoring mother nature as god (all ah it), does not require kissing the dirt

I just thought you like to know that.

Try no false witness and i can assure you, you will fair far better.

has to.....................?

sounds like brain washing!

'seek n destroy' on the album "kill 'em all'

Alright!

We are scanning the scene
in the city tonight
We're looking for you
to start up a fight
There's an evil feeling in our brains
But it's nothing new
you know it drives us insane
Running,
On our way
Hiding,
You will pay
Dying,
One thousand deaths
Running,
On our way
Hiding,
You will pay
Dying,
One thousand deaths
Searching,
Seek and Destroy
Searching,
Seek and Destroy!
Searching,
Seek and Destroy
Searching,
Seek and Destroy

There is no escape
and that's for sure
This is the end we won't take any more
Say goodbye to the world you live in
You've always been taking
but now you're giving

Running,
On our way
Hiding,
You will pay
Dying,
One thousand deaths
Running,
On our way
Hiding,
You will pay
Dying,
One thousand deaths
Searching,
Seek and Destroy
Searching,
Seek and Destroy!
Searching,
Seek and Destroy
Searching,
Seek and Destroy!!

Our brains are on fire
with the feeling to kill
And it won't go away
'til our dreams are fulfilled
There is only one thing on our minds
Don’t try running away
`cause you’re the one we will find

Running,
On our way
Hiding,
You will pay
Dying,
One thousand deaths
Running,
On our way
Hiding,
You will pay
Dying,
One thousand deaths

Searching,
Seek and Destroy
Searching,
Seek and Destroy!
Searching,
Seek and Destroy
Searching,
Seek and Destroy
Ahahahaha

just did.

 

Nah nah na na nahhhhhh, I am not going to post the poem I sent to the White House and my representative and Senators on 9/11.

 

We will never agree on the math thingy, but I do prefer you to them.

 

Response: In other words, you don't want to expose the fact that the proof that the qur'an is the true word of Allah is clear because that means that your ideology is false, so you'll just continue to hide in the corner in shame. Thanks for the clarification.

 

what part of 'the math thingy' bugs you?


What i have learned is that 'math' is the universal language:

If all of mankind was to 'recite' a unifying concept of representing (naming) 'god' then what other language could do it?

If every phenomenon was describable, which language would be unifying?

If life can be 'created', treated and enabled to live longer, in which language and which discipline could convey it to all and it remains universal?


Are those above, a mean set of question that could be a challenge in itself?

I would bet a whole line of educational course work could be based on them three.