Chaplains banned from preaching that homosexuality is a sin

Oh no!! The indoctrination of the youth inmates into the world of Christian hate was stopped!!

 

Oh please. The Bible has lots of rules even devout Christians no longer follow. We don't execute people who work on Sundays, we don't stone children to death for talking back to their parents, and we don't ostracize people for shaving their sideburns. If you want to make a distinction between NT and OT, know that Jesus never said anything about homosexuality. It was just one of his (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) apostles who selectively regurgitated the OT rule against homosexuality. He was a product of his backwards time, i.e. he was a bigot. It's time for a new pattern in your selective attention to biblical rules. One with a moral filter that doesn't teach people to discriminate against others who harm nobody else, or stone people to death for minor misconduct.

 

Fine. Your idea of religious counseling in prison, particularly for children or young people, is to rain down radical Christianity's hellfire and brimstone on them. We have enough screwed up people in prison without adding one more reason for them to come unstuck. Now tell me, how many sermons did that purported minister give on the Golden Rule and why it's important?

 

I think that their worry is that while in state custody, the state is obliged to see that no physical, mental or psychological harm happens to minors in their custodial care. if counselors or psychologists identify this sort of message coming from a religious authority as correlating with psycho-social harm to LGBTQ youth and have any clinical studies showing a history of serious mental health ramifications like depression, suicide, substance abuse etc, in youth exposed to these messages, they cannot turn a blind eye to it. Its really no different from weekly exposure to 'conversion' therapy except that this is swaddled in clerical garb. If you see these youth as particularly vulnerable to a message of sin, hell and guilt, and you see that message as compromising their future mental and emotional health and have already concluded as a matter of law, that they cannot legally consent to accept that risk, what else can the state do? One kid commits suicide after a few weeks of this and it isn't the Pastor that gets sued!

 

ahh, recognizing the act of gay sex as a sin is what you call hate; interesting indeed

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Hellfire???? We're talking Christianity here, not some video game you play.

 

Interesting: there are historic records of Jesus Christ as well as accounts of what he did. To discuss that is hatred in your perspective however, it's quite acceptable to speak about

a group of people who choose a specific sex act and also

have a higher rate of HIV than heterosexuals
a higher rate of attempted suicides than heterosexuals
a much higher ratio of pedophilia than heterosexuals

yet those are the people you want to elevate and then denigrate Christians. You may not realize it but you expose yourself quite nicely and it's not Christians who have a problem

 

I couldn't have put it better. I strongly disagree with the Christian anti-gay theme but I don't have the right to push my religious beliefs on others. I would think that incarcerated youth should have the ability to seek out which ever religion will assist them in their rehabilitation, without government interference.

 

clarification: there is no "Christian anti-gay theme". That is a fantasy put forth by homosexual activists

I suggest educating yourself on the topic. The issue is gay sex, gay sex, gay sex. If a person stops having gay sex then all is well.

Should Christians embrace those who continue to steal, cheat or murder? If the people stop those actions, repent, ask forgiveness then they will be welcomed as they changed their lives and embraced Jesus Christ. Doesn't sound like anti-anything to me but rather a loving group.

 

Who is forcing inmates to sit in the chapel during church ?!

MOD EDIT - Off Topic

 

There is nothing 'anti-Christian' in my post. If clinical evidence suggests that certain messages repeated frequently by people of authority, do psychological harm to youth or a subset of youth , and those damaging messages often frequent the sermons or religious remonstrances of some specific denominations or sects over other denominations o sects, it is not 'anti' anything to point that out and to work toward changing or reducing the frequency of those destructive messages. Its not Christianity itself that is the dangerous message.

 

So, you want to dictate what people believe or say? I thought that was the opposite of one of our most fundamental rights of the Constitution. Nobody is forcing these inmates to listen to the sermon.

 

hmm, so it must be harmful telling people that water is wet. That is your logic. A Christian, through the Bible, knows that gay sex is wrong

 

that sums it up. The Catholic Church chose a progressive Pope who feels that if he embraces the far left, that they will come running back to the church. He is sadly mistaken and you shall see an exodus from the Catholic Church if he continues down that wrong path.

There is no disputing the Bible. Leftists want the state to have control of what a preacher can say. That should scare everyone but leftists like silencing people as long as they themselves are not silenced

 

Government can't impose what religious doctrines a religious person might teach.

No one can stop a person burning the US flag as free expression, and religious doctrines are part of free expression.

The State of Kentucky must provide the proper background proving that homosexuality brings something positive to society. Laws protecting homosexuality can't be imposed by the beliefs of politicians but by sound scientific evidence and social science.

With or without license to teach or preach, for the biblical religion, homosexuality is not only a sin but surely abomination according to God.

And for religious purposes, God is whom imposes the rules.

Cheers to God.

 

"Voluntary" takes on a whole new meaning if you're stuck in the slammer.....


Besides, lots of those folks had "god" BEFORE they ended up in the Barred Hotel and it didn't do any good, did it ?

 

No one need bother to dispute the Bible because it does a very good job of disputing itself.

 

The government should have a chaplain on the payroll in the first place. /thread.

 

Just have him preach that any sexual acts outside of marriage are sinful.

 

No, it has the same definition, no matter where you are.

As I asked before... who is forcing these people to go to the chapel to be "force fed" as you falsely claimed?

Before the mods chose to edit it.


You didn't reply though.... so we still don't know.

 

I disagree. I support the program that this prison has where Chaplains volunteer their time

 

Oh, gosh, you missed my whole post:

"""Voluntary" takes on a whole new meaning if you're stuck in the slammer.....


Besides, lots of those folks had "god" BEFORE they ended up in the Barred Hotel and it didn't do any good, did it ? """



Please show proof they AREN'T being forced??? Transparency in the jailhouse? LOL! No.

And sometimes situations force people to do what they wouldn't do normally.......afterall, listening to some preacher burble inanities is a break from hearing your cellmate burble inanities...



I guess it would be all right if anyone could go in and preach anything to prisoners, how to make bombs, how much fun rape is......FREEDOM FOR ALL, right???

 

What part of Christianity espouses inherent rights? How about elected government? How about freedom of religion with no punishment for believing something different? Where is right to trial by one's peers in the Bible?

 

No I didn't. Those are two different comments and I responded to one of them.
Do you understand the words you type ?
Two different comments.

Lol.. ok... shoulda known.

The ole "when did you stop beating your wife?" lunacy.......

(acts shocked).



You're right... since I can't provide proof inmates are not forced to attend chapel... then that means they are.

Liberal logic 101

 

You ought to check out some of the churches in my neighborhood and pay close attention to the sermons. Shucks, never mind, you don't even have to leave the house - just tune in to some of those Sunday morning TV preachers. Trust me, too much of that "old time religion" has messed up lots of folks.

 

Prisons as a means of reforming criminals was started by Christians in this country. The root word of penitentiary being penance.