Chechnya gay rights: Activists with petition held in Moscow

mass killings and death camps for gays in Muscovy is a clear case for The Hague , qestion when Putin and Kadyrov will ended up in Holland ? for this ? and the end of WW3 like Nazis in 1945? or yearly ?

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39881452
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concentration camp"





Muscovy today :

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4397118/Chechnya-opens-concentration-camp-homosexuals.html

 

Hm. So, they rejected petition this time. Hm.

 

Apparently those, who wanted to submit a petition looked like terrorists.

 

I highly doubt that. I assume, on the rally in 12 of June will be extra group of questions towards government, especially considering that abuse of law enforcement and use of it against law-abiding citizens is pretty much an act of corruption.

 

Of all the participants in this forum, only you and one other character are concerned about the gay movement. Maybe you start a discussion on your specialized sites? And do not upload in forum to senseless and no interesting topics?
No one cares about your sexual orientation.

 

I remind you, we speak about police in one of our regions due to some sort of insecurity in their manliness prosecuting law-abiding citizens of our country for their personal, individual, PRIVATE sexual preferences. That is concerning enough for me just for sake of fact that some pederasts are hunting down people who violated not a single law, just because they think they can do that. If such abuse of police does not concerns you - get out of the way and let responsible people fix the state.

 

So what? Proponents of gay movement raise a fictional problem. Without proof. And the gay community around the world is writing nonsense for oligophrenics, who can believe in this nonsense.
This is just as nonsense as a reference to the lying writer of the science fiction writer Solzhenitsyn and his fellow scoundrels.

 

My country's citizens, right now, abused by law enforcers. It's violation of principles of our society, and regardless of cause - should be fixed.

If somehow it will turn out to be a fake alarm - then people who raised it will bear responsibility for that, but if there is an issue - and I do believe there is an issue - I do not see any reason to hesitate in correcting it. This is our country, and it is our responsibility to be vigilant and clean it from crimes or corruption, when necessary.

 

If this issue doesn't concern you, why are you posting? Anyone with genuine concern for human rights would find gay concentration camps unacceptable. Whatever you may believe about homosexuality, I guarantee there is something about the way you live that others believe you should be punished for.

 

Oh, I doubt there is a "gay concentration camp", I rather think several of prosecuted got locked in same jail and story grew like a snowball down a hill. BUT - I sincerely believe this incident must be looked on by public, examined, and if there is any sort of prosecution - obviously order should be restored. I am not interested in police that would be chasing gays instead of doing the actual work that they get paid for from my taxes.

 

Do you have any proof? Or is it another "chemical weapon of Saddam Hussein"?

 

It's our domestic issue, our people raised alarm, I do not need the iron evidences in that case. If government can investigate and proove storis are made up - it should do so. If stories are true - then I say this mess should be cleaned up and whoever issued this rogue operation be arrested. Regardless - it should be investigated.

 

It's not pedophiles, who are said to be prosecuted in Checnya. It's homosexuals. There is a difference between having sex with people of same sex, and people under age of 16.

Oh, I pretty much know about problems in other countries - but there is OUR issue, and obviously we should be ones first bothered about it, not foreigners.

So I do not see, what is your problem with people in OUR country being concerned with OUR issues.

 

Maybe you do not need evidence, as, for example, for supporters of the thief Navalny, but in a civilized society - evidence is needed. Even in ancient Rome it was necessary to prove their words.
Savages do not need proof. Here the savages yell - "Russian tanks in Ukraine", "the Russians will attack the Baltic countries tomorrow", "Russian submarines in Stockholm", "chemical weapon of Saddam Hussein"....etc.

 

The court needs evidence to judge responsible for a criminal act, I do not need evidence to expect and demand from my government to investigate domestic issues, reported by our own citizens.

 

Again. In Russia, the propaganda of homosexuality (pederasty) is prohibited. Is it really hard for you to ask Yandex?

 

In this case, you will not be bored. Psychopaths, idiots and other mentally ill people 2-3% in any healthy society (This is what doctors all over the world say). And they constantly express their claims.

 

Oh look! The guy who said no one is interested in this topic wants to discuss proof and evidence. Just a side note, if you ever had a BJ, you are guilty of sodomy. Please take your uninterested self to a topic you are interested in discussing. I am not sure your chosen term for homosexuals is acceptable conduct on this forum. We will see.

 

Pederasty is homosexual relations with underaged.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Педерастия
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Педофилия
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Гомосексуальность

Stop misplacing terms.

There is difference between prosecution of people and ban on propaganda of something.

 

Uh-huh, and there are always tons of thick-skulled retards who are afraid of any sort of change and would've lived by rules of "Domostroy" if had complete control over the country.

 

As I expected - you have no proof.

 

People who want stability, can be called "thick-skulled "only weak-minded. Look, for example, in Ukraine. They wanted change - it became better?
Or look at Libya, Syria, Egypt .... Look at any country where galloping degenerates got power - where did it get better?
For example, in Russia oligophrenics want to overthrow legitimate authority. Do oligophrenics have an economic program? Are they familiar with running the country? Do they know how to conduct international affairs? Do they know how to manage the central bank? ...etc.
For example, the Bolsheviks at their meetings (Long before 1917) not only prepared to change the country's economic course, but actively studied economic works, considered the political consequences of seizing power, studied industry, the prospects of this industry ... and so on. And they did it for a very long time.

But for oligophrenia is not interesting all this. Oligophrenic want change .... Because oligophrenic.
For oligophrenic, it is not important that the thief calls to fight with theft. It's like a bee against honey .... But oligophrenic does not know how to think, because oligophrenia does not have a brain.

 

so "rjusski mir" gays pogroms, death camps are ok for you? dont feel sorry for you and your ulus, it has no place in 21c, and it will be gone and very soon

 

Oh, really? To which extent you need stability? What you are, a pet mouse? You have to be active, responsible, and vigorous - if you want yourself and your country to prosper. We already got stability, what we are getting right now - is a stagnation.

Not to mention that - EXCUSE ME? - since when keeping law enforcers DOING THEIR JOB instead of some random, rogue operations like in Chechnya is destabilizes country?

Ukraine did not wanted change, country was torn between choosing EU or RF, they did their choise, now they have visa-free with EU, no Crimea and civil war in Donbass that got abandoned by 1,5 millions of it's inhabitants, not to mention the wounded and dead.

The CHANGES are normal part of life, everything changes, it's a natural process that will keep going on, no matter what we'll do. Nothing can be preserved forever, expecially a society, that consists of mullions of constantly changing individuals.


But what I mean above all else is - it is our civil duty to be telling government, if somebody goes wrong. As well as being vigilant and watching for government to not spoil, get corrupted, and start serving the personal interests of the members of government, instead of interests of nation and country. It does not makes country unstable, does not makes country weak - it clears out trash, it keeps things working properly. We all want stability, it is a basis of healthy society - but on stability only society cannot exist, it needs to progress, it needs to be flexible. And obviously, it should not be discarding it's own citizens for one, or other reason. People in Ukraine rejected a part of their society - when they needed to protest against the war in Donbass - they been forming volunteer battalions. We need to not repeat that mistake, and stand together as society - be first to take care of our own people, not expect government to do this without our involvement. The whole point of living in society is to be secure and protected by this society, being rejected, prosecuted and abandoned by it - is nearly a death sentence. We have to stand for our own, we need to stand for our people - all of them, without picking favorites. When they are in danger - they should be able to rely on us. It is normal, it is part of being a society, especially our.


As for changes - as I said, it is normal that they occur. Opinions change, views on history change, culture changes - whole countries change. It does not mean that they become less stable - they just adapt to needs of society and the world around. When they don't - I point to you to the last days of Empire. I do not want to witness a revolution in my country because of stagnated government, this is why I have sympathies I have. I do not speak of overthrowing government, I insist on going on in civilized manner, without violence and blood that would be later turned into money. Sure, democracy itself can be improved - but point is, I am not arguing for any sort of rebellion, I argue for progress.

And if we will be rejecting parts of our society and wasting time on prosecution of innocent people - we will loose, at the very least, the time that we could've spent on developing and progressing forward. We have stability already - it is time to work for sake of our nation and country, instead of sitting in one spot like little children waiting to be carried forward by government alone.

 

Judging by your comment, you are very young. Your conscious life passed after 2000. In other words, your short life took place with the conditionally speaking of one command of Governance. So you do not know what the 90's are. You just can not compare. Therefore, you are ready to jump and call for change .... I think when you grow up, you will grow wiser.
I hope that in the case of attempting a riot, the rulelists will very harshly suppress jumping oligophrenics. Just like it is done in the USA, Germany, Britain and other "democratic" countries. Especially I like when in the bulwark of democracy, dogs are used to disperse imbeciles. Because dogs will bite them for a place than they think.