Chilling future for gun rights according to January 2016 Nat'l Rifleman

Nothing proves you right. What this proves is exactly what I intended... That polls mean nothing, because they often contradict each other, depending on the time of the poll, the size of the sample and the options provided.

Just look at political polls, often the leader in the poll loses come Election Day.

 

But you called them "unbiased polls" when you believed that they supported your position, right?

 

Do a poll on cheating spouses, I'm sure that will be 100% accurate.

Polls are based entirely on the WAY the question is asked, as well on how honest the respondent is.

If either of those aren't accurate and honest, you don't have an unbiased poll, regardless of how well the poll is conducted.

 

Yep, unbiased and often not representative of the true big picture. Polls often contradict each other.
Pew often delivers different outcomes than Gallup. Hell, Gallup often contradicts polls taken by Gallup when taken a month later.
Sample sizes are often about a thousand people, and it's supposed to represent the views of 300 million people.

 

Scientific polling has been around for long enough to obtain results within the margin of error.

What we have in this thread are anecdotes, blogs and scientific polls.

The polls used in this thread are in line with the changing demographics in this nation.

Math doesn't lie!

The numbers have no bias.

Either deal with them, or don't ,but the math isn't going to change just because the numbers don't say what you want them to say.

 

The point is that this weeks poll can be refuted by a different poll, or at a different time.

This is quoted from one of the Gallup polls I cited....

"less than half of Americans believe that one such stricter law -- universal background checks -- would prevent mass shootings. In fact, a majority say that if more Americans carried concealed weapons after passing background checks and training, the nation would be safer."

 

Do a poll in New York asking if they own AR-15's.

 

Point to the post where you factually established that, according to the FBI, mass shootings have increased from once every 6 months to almost every day,

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See post #63.
Done.

 

Yes, opinions can and do change depending on media reporting.

However the demographic trends don't.

The demographic trends are moving in such a manner that the opinions will ultimately reflect those changes.

Already the demographics are proving that gun owners are shrinking and the tolerance for the gun culture is dwindling.

That is inevitable and no amount of denial is going to stop that from happening regardless of what some feel good poll du jour happens to say.

Long term trends, which the Pew and Gallup polls are tracking, are not showing a favorable outcome for gun owners if they maintain their stubborn obstruction of reasonable regulations.

 

There is more 2A support now than there ever has been, guns are flying off the shelves with the highest sales in history, and new gun owner classes are packed despite the left's attempts at their weak little jedi mind tricks.

We are definitely going to maintain our stubborn obstruction of illegal and unconstitutional regulations.

 

Short term kneejerk responses are not going to change long term demographic trends.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-08-06/gun-safety-classes-attendance/56832968/1

There is going to be a glut of cheap 2nd hand guns on the market in the future and their values will plummet, because that is what always happens when any market is saturated with products and the buyers disappear.

 

Yeah self defense is just a fad.

I love your 2nd paragraph where it says "No matter how much gun training an average American might have, it pales in comparison to the rigorous gun training that we demand of law enforcement officers, and thousands of innocent Americans die every year because of the paranoid mentality and lack of meaningful training,"

Guess who trains the guy that trains the police?

Kinda goes in with your theory that no matter how much we mere mortals train we can just never compare with the incredible superiority of the guy that ducks into a telephone booth and comes out in his shiny uniform.

Pathetic.

Yeah we're terrified.

 

You got it in one v. The CCW qualifier in Tx is the same as the DPS. As far as training, many LEO's will seek outside tutelage if they really want to become good shooters and/or join IPSC or IDPA and begin to shoot matches. I was at a class at Thunder Ranch a few years back and fully over half of the attendees were either military or LEO. None of them were top rank. As far as cheap preowned handguns, TD hasn't a clue about what he's talking about.

 

Most of his posts are.

 

You were saying about long term trends?

 

Meaningless out of context.

What point, if any, does that make?

 

It means your fantasy gets blown out of the water.

 

The largest demographic buying guns for the first time are women. You cannot trust any report of fewer gun owning households because there is no metric for that kept.

 

Perhaps in someone's wet dream but in the real world it is nothing more than a table of numbers.

What do they represent to hoplophiles?

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Both Pew and Gallup track those trends as provided in the link that I posted.

 

You keep repeating yourself. The polls have been refuted multiple times. You know it and everyone here knows it as well. Dave Kopel wrote a peer reviewed paper on why. There are multiple sources. Your weak argument is just to keep repeating yourself over and over without a basis in fact. I'm also still waiting on what happens to registered guns of the deceased and debilitated. Answer that one and stop ignoring the question.

 

So to sum up your response:

Haha FBI statistics over 17 years are just a "table of numbers". "HERE LOOKIT THE POLLS THO"

 

The demographic trends are tracked by non-partisan organizations without any agenda.

Those trends have never been credibly debunked by partisan bloggers who apparently don't even comprehend how polling actually works to begin with which handicaps them before they even start their disingenuous anecdotal rants.



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Thank you for admitting to not knowing what that table of numbers actually represents.

 

Guess who runs NICS.

 

Non sequitur!

 

You still don't know what you're talking about. Dave Kopel is hardly a partisan blogger. He's just one source. Still waiting for your answer on what happens to the registered weapons of the deceased and disabled. You're been proven wrong more than once here. Time for you to move on and quit looking foolish.