China and Venezuela dumping migrants on America and refusing to take them back

as of February 2024

Large numbers of migrants are coming from China and Venezuela to the United States. But in the cases the United States is trying to deport these migrants, China and Venezuela are refusing to accept these migrants back.

As a result, the U.S. is caught in a difficult position and practically being forced to keep the migrants.
It's almost as if these other countries are "offloading" the undesirable segment of their population off onto the U.S.
It's also a little like blackmail, playing a game with human lives.

Many of the Chinese migrants who made the journey to the U.S. never went to the trouble of Chinese passports.
(The migrants did not fly directly to the U.S. but rather flew to another country and then came by land, arriving at the U.S. border, and then either illegally entering or claiming "asylum", which under the policies of the Biden Administration has been treated as an automatic ticket to gain entrance into the country)

Without Chinese passports, China is refusing to accept them.

(It's also possible some of these Chinese migrants might have been informed that they will have better chances of being allowed to stay in the U.S. if they do not have a passport, so they either intentionally decided not to get one before they left China, or they intentionally lost their passports)

This despite the obvious fact that a person who looks Chinese and fluently speaks Chinese must obviously have originally come from China and be a Chinese citizen.

(And even if a migrant was trying to get into China from another country bordering China, it would not be more difficult for them to just sneak directly into China rather than make the trip to the U.S. to be able to get deported to China. China does not really have a good way of knowing who their citizens are, especially if the person looks Chinese and fluently speaks Chinese. And China also has their own passport system within their country, which denies migrants certain benefits if they did obtain approval to move to a different province)

Venezuela has followed through on a threat to stop accepting flights of migrants deported from the U.S. and Mexico, people familiar with the measures say, adding pressure on President Biden as a surge in illegal migration becomes a key issue in this year's presidential election.
President Nicolas Maduro's authoritarian regime introduced the measure after Washington reimposed some of the economic sanctions it had previously lifted on Venezuela. The U.S. said that Venezuela has failed to live up to the loose pledges it made to restore the democratic order and move toward holding fair presidential elections.​

Venezuela Halts Flights of Deported Migrants From U.S. and Mexico Flights were a key tool for the Biden administration to deter illegal migration from a major source country, Kejal Vyas and Santiago Pérez, The Wall Street Journal, February 22, 2024

Over 140,000 unauthorized into the U.S. in the month of February 2024.
The number of Venezuelan migrant crossings is up compared to February last year, more than 6,000 coming this month. Fewer than 2,000 migrants were flown back to Venezuela in the past four months. That's just a fraction of those whom officials apprehended.
The removal flights sending migrants who entered the U.S. without authorization back to Venezuela have been rejected by their government for the past four weeks. The reason: The U.S. imposed sanctions on state-owned mining companies. Other sanctions hitting oil and gas are also on the table.​

Venezuela stops deportation flights from US, Ali Bradley, NewsNation, February 23, 2024

'Disillusioned about China', more Chinese aim for US via risky Darien Gap
In 2023, Chinese migrants become the largest group outside the Americas to cross the treacherous region to reach the US.

"It's down to political and economic uncertainties," said Min Zhou, a professor of sociology and Asian-American studies at the University of California, Los Angeles. "There has been a downturn in the Chinese economy. People have become unemployed, and there’s discontentment about the government's tight policies.
"They are now coming from all over the country. They are skilled. Some are college graduates." According to Zhou, who is carrying out a research project on newly arrived Chinese migrants in Los Angeles, this wave of undocumented Chinese citizens is markedly different from the wave of migration in the 1980s and 1990s.​

'Disillusioned about China', more Chinese aim for US via risky Darien Gap, Peter Yeung, Al Jazeera News, February 22, 2024

Only 288 Chinese citizens were deported from the United States during the 2023 fiscal year despite border authorities encountering more than 24,000 in the same time frame, as concerns have increased over a sudden influx of Chinese migrants at a key border sector. More than 21,000 Chinese citizens have already been apprehended in the Border Patrol's San Diego Sector alone during the 2024 fiscal year. A New York Times report last year revealed there were more than 100,000 Chinese nationals in the U.S. with final orders of removal that had not been deported. The low number of removals highlights the difficulty of deporting Chinese citizens to their home country. China has generally been uncooperative, sometimes refusing to accept its citizens back.

The number of Chinese nationals crossing through the San Diego Sector is second only to Colombia (28,000). Third is Mexican nationals with 18,700.
That year, only 834 Venezuelans were deported despite 335,000 Venezuelan citizens were encountered by border authorities. Just over 201,000 of them were apprehended by Border Patrol agents after crossing illegally into the U.S. The rest were encountered at ports of entry.

The number of Chinese migrants appearing at the southern border has been increasing since fiscal 2021. In fiscal 2022, numbers increased to more than 2,000 border-wide. In fiscal 2023, that number then surged to more than 24,314.

The influx has raised concerns from lawmakers and border authorities because of China's espionage efforts as well as being an adversary of the U.S.​

Only 288 Chinese citizens deported from US in FY 23 despite 24,000 encounters at border as influx continues, Louis Casiano and Bill Melugin, Fox News, February 22, 2024

 

Over 140,000 unauthorized into the U.S. in the month of February 2024!

That's a whole city coming through (over 100,000 people) each month

 

The law already provides a way to handle this. The President can suspend visa's from countries that refuse to accept their deportees. Fat chance the Biden administration would do that though.

 

Listening to the red folks it seems as if the only thing wrong with the world is that we are letting asylum seekers enter the system pending approval. Nothing else matters to these nice white folks. Its just immigrant bashing every single day. Why lookee yonder pa, there's a field worker picking strawberries, must be a bad guy ain't he pa? Yep but let him pick the strawberries first, then we will call ICE.

 

One of the big issues is that it currently takes between 4 to 5 years, sometimes even longer, for the asylum seeker to eventually be denied.
In the mean time, it seems anyone from any part of the world can just come into the U.S. and legally reside there for that long period of time. And a large percentage of these asylum seekers do not leave after being denied, they just "disappear" into the U.S. population, having used the asylum application process as an easy way to be granted entry after showing up at the border.

The system is being abused, and there's a huge problem with this when there are so many migrants.

If you want to discuss why huge numbers of migrants overwhelming the country is an issue to worry about, I'm afraid that would be a contentious discussion for another thread.

 

How much would we need to bribe Joe Biden to close the borders?

 

Granted, but that is the law and if you want to change it, pass legislation to change it. That is just what was denied by the House. Also, how about stopping screaming to the world that our borders are wide open which only encourages these poor souls to make the journey? How about some maturity instead of partisan screeching and dog whistles? How about being an adult and solving the problems with current asylum laws and processes?

 

It's obvious that Biden's cabinet and circle of advisors, and the line of the Democratic Party and key leaders, are shaping the Administration's policy decisions.
As well as the coverage CNN news, which he undoubtedly watches.

(For further discussion about that, you will need to start another separate thread)

 

The law is being abused. That was obviously not the original intent of the law.
The wording of the law gives a huge amount of discretion to the Presidential Administration how to enforce and interpret it.

(For further discussion on that topic, we would have to start another separate thread)

 

Translation: I want to make this a political weapon against the left and refuse to deal with it in a rational manner. I am sorry but I live my days without fear of these asylum seekers especially from Venezuela. I have a great friend from there and she has family still in Caracas. They are in deep trouble and my heart goes out to her and her family. How exactly does one of them harm you personally? Are you concerned about taxes? I paid 39 thousand in federal taxes last year, glad to see it go to help others like these asylum seekers.

 

Lol! Somebody is stirring the racial stink stick!

 

I think we would have to contact Hunter to find out the going rate.

 

On the contrary, this whole thing is being used as a political weapon against the non-Left. But make no mistake, many of those on the Left will suffer because of this. (Sort of like the observation that no one truly wins in a nuclear war)

 

Why not talk about what we can do? "Closing the border" with Mexico would severely damage the economy. Not even Trump would create that much havoc.

Bottom line--don't take asylum claims from someone in Mexico or Canada.

 

If you want to know about corruption, ask this guy...

 

Not closing the border is causing more damaging results then your "muh economy..."

 

Mexico is our second largest trade partner. There is no need to "close the border"--shut down legal crossings--when this is the problem...



No asylum from Mexico (or Canada).

 

Our cup runneth over. Entirely. Immigration, legal or otherwise need to be contained and reduced until we can actually catch up to the ****ing nonsense this bullshit admin created.

 

Heh, all roads lead back to that for you guys!

 

We put necessary police, agents, national guard, troops, etc. on the border to stop illegal entry. Everyone entering this way is returned immediately. No asylum entry from Mexico or Canada.

A good start? Maybe. We should implement a national ID that covers everyone, including permanent residents and visa holders. Potential employers can use a cellphone and the ID to check on the applicant's right to work, even as day labor. There are millions here illegally and we should put pressure on employers to stop hiring them.

 

Get ready for payback.

Red states are the poor ones.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/248063/per-capita-us-real-gross-domestic-product-gdp-by-state/

 

Multiple admins... But yes this is a particularly bad one.

 

You just flip flop from topic to topic no matter the thread.

 

A wannabe moderator?

Democrats can just stop supporting transfer payments to poor red states--the bottom eight states in state GDP. The thought you MAGA types may end up paying for your behavior is too unpleasant to contemplate?

 

I have no idea what that has to do with the thread topic, but carry on, like Bluto in Animal House; you're on a roll.