Christians are the real progressives

Christians are the only real progressives. This is because an atheist or agnostic person cannot accept the premise that bad things can happen for good reasons. Over time their bitterness and anger mounts, turning into cynicism. If someone is cynical towards their adversaries it becomes impossible to reach them. This is not to say that changing someone’s heart is easy; it often seems impossible but there are rare instances when God is said to intervene and make it happen.

When a cynical person tries to reach someone else, they may tell themselves they are trying to change that person's heart but they are really attacking them. This can quickly become a form of self-aggrandizement and sadism. I think that a real progressive wants to change not just minds but also hearts because they recognize that is where our differences come from. This requires a lack of bitterness and cynicism.

 

Progressivism is constant change whereas Christianity has an end goal. Because of that a Christian could never be described as progressive. In fact, it is just a lousy word to use to describe atheists or any type of religion whatsoever.

 

Progressivism in politics is constant change for control of individuals through government force. Hardly Christian.

 

No, progressivism is just constant change meaning that if the government has control then progresives would try to change it. Progressivism can be good or bad depending on your views of the current changes it is pushing for. For instance, once the current progressives succeed in stripping all morality from society we will see progressives pushing family values again.

 

The very definition of progressive in politics is using 'scientific means' to steer people to a goal, usually utopian in nature. That requires forcing people to bend to the will of bureaucrats and the only means government has is force. Woodrow Wilson was our first true progressive President and that is exactly what his ideology was. The unwashed masses could not be trusted to do the right thing in the eyes of progressive ideology. This is counter to individual freedom.

 

And once progressives get their goal then what do they fight for?

Others become progressive and pushing for new changes.

Yes Wilson was a progressive but so was Reagan. FDR was a progressive but so was Jefferson.

 

Every sentence that you typed is wrong.

 

The statement that an athiest or agnostic cannot accept the premise that bad things can happen for good reasons is absurd. Then using that to prove that Christians are the only real progressives is just plain silly.

If you can't actually come up with a real reason to consider Christians as progressives then I guess by default you have proven Christians to actually be the only true Regressives.

 

You mean like they used to when Hillary said it takes a village to raise a child?

 

So are you saying that the ongoing efforts by Christians to legislate behavior is hardly Christian.

 

Absolutely!

 

Changing the mind of another requires three things. 1) One must have a base respect for the speaker. 2) One on some level must see the speaker as an authority on that which they are speaking about. 3) One must have an open mind to what the speaker says. It is possible for all three requirements to be met but in my experience it is uncommon.

As a theist myself I find my efforts better served by better understanding why some atheists are so cynical, and in my assessment many atheists are cynical because of the bias shown to them by many theists.

As for the claim that Christians are the real progressives I find the claim to be baseless as the God of Christianity dictates His rigid rules to all Christians. But as practiced I do have to capitulate that Christianity is progressive as the fractured Church of today probably does not much resemble the Church of nearly 2 millennia ago. But does the ever evolving Church represent a progressive God or just humanity moving further away from God? A rhetorical question as the answer will depend upon who you ask.

 

With all due respect (and I mean that) I feel individuals can not be so casually dismissed or explained with such a broad brush. Therefore this argument is fundamentally flawed at its core.

 

Seriously?

The ultimate goal of Christianity is to make an autocracy that will make North Korea look like a Randian utopia.

 

LOL, sure thing. Can you point out where that is spelled out in any Christian literature?

Yes, Seriously, that is the goal of progressivism in government, control of the unwashed masses that cannot decide correctly for themselves.

 

The Book of Revelation.

Jesus will preside over a government in which everyone is forced to worship the leader, there are zero checks and balances, separation of powers, popular sovereignty, or protected rights. Any dissent, to include dissent limited to thoughtcrime, is punished by cruel torture.

Is that a freedom loving utopia to you?

 

Well, your interpretation as a millennialist is just an opinion and not, in truth, anything real.

 

The RC church tried to make this guy into a saint:

7 Myths and Atrocities of Christopher Columbus That Will Make You Cringe

http://usuncut.com/world/7-myths-and-atrocities-of-christopher-columbus-that-will-make-you-cringe/





Traitor Bush said his "crusade" was ordained by God.

Hitler said that in killing Jews he was doing God's handiwork.





So, who do you say are the angry ones with hate in their hearts?

 

Dude, it written pretty clearly. Jesus will rule a dictatorship that would make Hitler blush.

 

The similarity comes from the mob culture.

However, I don't see Christianity in charge of academia and the media. Further, a Christian town, parish or area can vilify you, but you can escape to another place. But if the Progressive mob gets on to you, you will be hounded wherever you go. The inner circles of progressives are shamelessly connected. Your childen will be harrassed by their "teachers", your wife (if you are a man) will be turned against you, and you will be inexplicably discriminated and monitored by many strange people.

And then there's the paranoia all this real harassment creates. Saul Alinsky calls it the "ego"( like it's the victims fault, they become paranoid after so many complete strangers are against them).

 

Nope. It'll be too quick for any blushing. Most of you, if not all will be killed instantly. And my time is at hand.

 

There will be no Government. Only death. But apparently I will have a heart and save a few. A very few.

For now, every last one of you will die forever.

 

You are not a divine being.

 

Only a jew in his arrogance, would pronounce such a thing.

 

Not only that, they all apply to conservatism far more than progressivism