Christie or Cheney? Who to Advise the GOP's Future?

Well the title pretty much says it all. It's fairly obvious the GOP is at a fork in the road. One way leads down the path of Dick Cheney's destructive policies that are hurting everyone; where puppets of his parade one by one as "the perfect GOP candidate". Or there's the rogue Christie path; where Christie seems to look within and use forethought and expansive intelligence when planning action.

So since you know there will be a puppetmaster behind any GOP puppet [candidate for Office], which one would best serve the party's long range interests?

I think Christie would serve much better as a VP/man behind the curtain like Cheney than the front man.

 

Christie's alright, although I think Rand Paul would be a better advisor on most topics.

 

Oh please, like Cheney is an option.

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Cheney continues to advise the GOP to this day. I'm saying it's not working for that party and they need an actual change.

 

Anecdotal evidence: Just flew with a guy, typical person who believes what CNN, NPR, Frontline specials et al tell him. He likes Rand Paul. I say let Rand Paul say his piece and let's see what people think.

We are definitely at a crossroads: if we continue with a Democrat party and expand the Democrat Lite party, we are finished. A skilled politician who can articulate the case for smaller government, and actually mean it and have the record to back him up, may be just what is needed.

I know a lot of righties hate Chris Christie. Personality-wise, I think he's spot on. I think the US is ready for a no-nonsense politician to tell it like it is, especially after two terms of Barack Obama's slick talking that has rarely meant anything. Policy-wise, all I know is he seems to have spending under control in New Jersey. Another encouraging sign is liberals going after him because he's fat. When that's a person's complaint, there really don't have much to complain about.

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My BS detector is going off the charts. Link?

 

Christie has been the best option in that party for awhile now. The only reason I forgave him for not running this past time was because it's harder to unseat an incumbent and he'd have a better shot in 2016. But if he doesn't run in 2016, then there's really no point in the Republicans running anybody. They might as well just hand the election to Hilary.

 

Agreed. Paul is very much like his father in that he's pretty consistent about supporting smaller government. He's also one of the few people in Congress that is willing to fight the various big government proposals that the War on Terror has pushed us towards.

He has a lot of potential for rising in his party, and I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up as a major presidential candidate in 2016. He also seems less vulnerable than Paul Ryan when it comes to communicating with the general public.

Ryan, accurately or not, is often seen as part of the Romney country club. Rand Paul is more of a guy that I think the average person can relate to, even if he or she might not always agree with him.

 

Personally I say Christie but I doubt the majority of the GOP are willing to pull their head out their ass when it comes to him. They talk about how we need a leader for the people and someone who thinks for them self but then throw a hissy fit for anyone who doesn't tow the party line.

 

I have to agree with you on Ryan. I think overall he was perceived the way you said, even though closer scrutiny would show it's not really the case. I thought Paul Ryan was a mistake. He had already been demonized pretty heavily, and was pretty controversial. My pick would have been Marco Rubio. Like Rand Paul, very articulate. However, I have not paid much attention to Rubio since he started his grandstanding on immigration. I think Rubio would have taken it to Joe Biden in a debate, and cost Obama Florida and a lot of the hispanic vote. Not that any of this matters anymore.

But back to the actual topic at hand- the establishment Republicans like Mitch McConnell, Lindsey Grahamnesty, John Boehner, John Mccain and all the other goons, they all need to go. They've been spewing the same old nonsense for far too long. I say bring on some new libertarian-striped GOP blood and let's see what happens.

 

A Rand Paul/Rubio ticket would be interesting.

It would definitely be a challenging one to beat.

 

If the Republicans had common sense, they would go with Cheistie. At least he would not be the total disaster than Rubio or the juvenile Paul would be.

But, for now, I would rather they pay more heed to Cheney and collapse as a party to be replaced by a Fascist Party and a third paty to be named later.

 

I don't want to see Christie as president. I think he could do really well in an advising/controlling position. To replace Cheney's "office" [whatever they call that behind the curtain? "Demander in Chief"?]

It could be interesting to see a Christie/Paul/? Rubio is too slimey. Just a hispanic Mitt Romney. The only ones who will buck Cheney are those with spines. Maybe a Christie/Paul/Perry trio? Maybe three scrappy men standing shoulder to shoulder could defeat that rat bastard.

 

Hilarious... an Obama voter complaining about "slimey".... ROFLMAO!!!!

 

I was going to say the same thing.

 

Rand Paul has good ideas but is too inflexible. I think Christie has the right balance. But these in strategic administration, not "faux leader" [POTUS] positions.

 

Start paying attention. Both Rubio and Ryan are selling amnesty on ads running on talk radio. It's nauseating. Both those guys are dead to me.

As for the poll, I voted other- Rand Paul and Ted Cruz should set the platform. The GOP is on its last legs if they don't wise the (*)(*)(*)(*) up.

 

Rubio and Ryan are like Mitt Romney clone 1 and clone 2. "Empty suit, fill Cheney Agenda here". They might as well have that tatooed on their foreheads.

 

Christie is more middle of the road than most (if not all) of any of the Republican possibilities so, I doubt he'll fly well in 2016. The right wing can't seem to get a grip on what average Americans want in a President. They seem to cater only to the super wealthy and can't even recognize anything different so, I'd say their goose is cooked already. They aren't going to reform their views any time soon.

 

If Chris Christie ran in 2016, provided he sheds a few pounds, the GOP would KILL in that election. I suspect your "doubts" about Christie winning center more around your doubts that he'll be a good Cheney-puppet because Christie would stand up to Cheney. And as we all know with the GOP, "ist verboten"...

That, and not Christie's electability, is the reason he 'wouldn't make a good GOP candidate'. We know. The GOP only puts up men who are stunningly obvious empty suits with a "fill Cheney Agenda here" monogram on their lapels.. Chris Christie is no empty suit...lol... He can fill out a suit like the best of them. The man has a backbone and a keen sense of governing purpose. Which means he will not play well with Cheney 150% of the time, as is required by the GOP.

 

Well, the GOP won't embrace him because he committed the ultimate sin, ehich was to say something positive about Obama. That'll keep him banned from the ranks of the champagne guzzlers for years to come.

 

Yeah, they could forgive him for that sin I think....but I hear what you're saying.

However the core of the reason for rejecting Christie is his base personality which is internal, has deep spine and integrity and purpose; whether you agree or disagree with him. Cheney's looking for a political vessel adrift at sea that he can board and man once the paint has dried on the "USS POTUS" name on the new hull. He doesn't want a vessel that already has a captain.

 

Neither of the above.

Cheney's day is mostly past.

Christie has to be way left of the nation because he has to win elections in New Jersey.

Probably Rand Paul.

 

Rand Paul?? So...another disconnected GOP failure next Presidential election huh? You know, if they could ever find somebody to run that appealed to somebody besides corporate fat cats, ignorant rednecks, and the religious right, they COULD have a winner. Sufficed to say though, they'll keep throwing these wingnuts out there so, the bar will get lower and lower.

 

He would never let Rand Paul get the GOP nomination. Might make a nice "runner up" for the group of stooges the GOP will parade like last time to make it look like their candidate wasn't hand-picked by the Sith Lord years in advance...

Cheney gone for the most part? It's just that he's been showing up in high places to "advise" the GOP on a regular basis...as he has since forever...



at the Capitol Building last year...

 

After Hussein Obama, could the bar be set any lower?