Citizenship for 11 million illegals

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  1. NMNeil

    NMNeil Well-Known Member

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    Look at this genius plan by Biden, because he hasn't evaluated the potential outcome.
    Part of the plan will be that only those illegals who have been here a certain amount of time will be eligible to apply for green cards.
    Expect lots of fraud to show that recent arrival have been here for years, plus expect a surge of people illegally crossing the border to jump on the bandwagon.
    Then look at what will happen if the idea makes it's way into becoming law.
    Employers of the now former illegals will then have to pay full Federal and State mandated wages and all the associated fees for employing anyone. This will take away the incentive for employers to hire and keep the former illegals. Let's be honest they were never given the jobs out of the goodness of the employers hearts, it was because they worked cheap and would put up with poor working conditions.
    And finally, why would the former illegals work at all?. After all they will be eligible to join the many millions already getting welfare from the long suffering and few remaining taxpayers.
    I don't know how many will be employed at the many new Nancy Pelosi money tree orchards, but it won't be enough to balance the budget.

    “The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.”

    Margaret
    Thatcher
     
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    Bye social security.
     
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  3. Daniel Light

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    Does it do any good to pretend they don't exist? Is what it is. They are here and tracking them all down and
    removing them would cost millions as well.

    I don't think there is a perfect answer here. The last President wasn't able to deport them all. Didn't even make a dent.

    The best answer would be to put the effort into making the countries they originally came from more desirable to stay in,
    or return to. We spent literaly trillions of dollars in the Middle East over the last two decades trying to stabilize that
    crap hole - when we should have been concentrating more on our Central American policy. The last administration
    completely abandoned any sort of cohesive Central American policy and the one before wasn't much better.

    Biden is going to have to address that if we are going to get a handle on the immigration problem. We'll see
    if he does.

    As for those already here? Either we find a way for them to work and pay taxes, or we spend our time and money trying
    to round them up - and we pay more for food production. It's going to cost us either way.
     
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    No, the best answer would be to dramatically beef up - and then enforce - penalties for those here who offer jobs to illegal aliens, all the way to the top of the organization. Once CEOs and business owners start going to prison with mandatory minimum sentences and no parole, it will only take a few examples and the hiring of illegal aliens will come to screeching halt. THAT's what will make them go back to their countries of origin, and will make the United States unattractive to further illegal immigration. I'd do away with jus solis too, in favor of jus sanguinis like virtually all other developed nations on Earth, to curb the phenomena of anchor babies and obstetric tourism.

    I believe that Biden's immigration plan is terrible. Every time we get to some sort of amnesty - which this is, no doubt - we only encourage more people to come here illegally. I did vote for Biden and I did know that he would screw up on this... but I had other priorities so I took the risk, in the hope that this simply won't pass Congress. I hope that Joe Manchin is against this, as he is the last protector of conservative views in case the Dems do away with the filibuster.
     
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    Any citizenship path is likely to take years, require they work and speak English.
     
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    It’s been like 40 years since the last amnesty, pretty risky to sneak in counting on that.
     
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    Just think if trump had been president when your forefathers came to this country. What country do you think you might have been born in?
     
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    How Reagan-esk!.........Isnt it funny anything a Republican does is good for the country, but dont dare let a Democratic President do it!.....LOL.....Pathetic
     
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    California tried to deal with this in the 90s. Prop 187 was passed but of course some leftist organization and judges subverted the will of the people. Now CA is a hellhole. Arizona tried to enact "papers please" and the left killed that. Just today a story broke on "disrupting whiteness" after the anti white summer we just had. Ask a leftist what they think America's demography should be. You'll be shocked at what you hear.
     
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    Burning down a nation one idiotic decision at a time! Thanks sleepy Joe!!
     
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    I don’t care what our demography is.
    Was that shocking?
     
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    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    Should have ran someone who wouldn’t get impeached twice and thrown out on his ass after one term.
    Blame yourself
     
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    Justice Gorsuch
    Justice Kavanaugh
    Justice Barrett

    Should have run someone other than Hillary 4 years ago. The killer didn't get elected and never will!
     
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    You mean the folks who helped us steal the election? Lol
     
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    Well, they are willing to take the risk.
     
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    I doubt this will be the issue you seem to think it will be.

    This is a remarkable statement. Employing illigals is why we have an illegal immigration problem in the first place. We should be crackimg down on these employers, not supporting them.

    They will work or not work for the same reasons Americans do or don't.

    Not as many as are employed at mar a lago I would guess.

    What does this topic have to do with socialism?
     
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    Actually the answer is to stop providing sanctuary and punish those hiring them. They will leave on their own.
     
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    It is so difficult to wake up every morning to see another thing Biden has done to tear our country apart.
     
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    We can pretend that is what would happen. Reality is that being poor here might still be better than poverty or possible
    death sentence back home.
     
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    Yes, because being here illegal is still better than where they left. Even if they never get amnesty.
     
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    It is better because there are jobs. If we dry out the jobs we dry out illegal immigration, better than any wall.
     
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    I'll take a large up front cost as opposed to an even larger on-going and ever increasing cost. And Pres Trump's efforts to remove illegals were met at every turn with baseless challenges carried via injunction by activist judges that had no conception of Constitutionality - they just didn't want to see blue votes being walked back across the border.
     
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    So your policy recommendation is to engineer a depression.
     
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    You gonna lock someone up for hiring a nanny and using e-verify? Lol
     

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