Climate Change 2022: Mitigation of Climate Change

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  1. Jack Hays

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    Sure.
    US growth rate 2021: 5.7%
    Australia growth rate 2021: 3.8%
     
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    Who is enforcing this “climate policy” causing the electricity shortages? Are there shotguns being held at the heads of CEOs? Why are these companies not planning to prevent shortages? This piece little “she’ll game” article is all over the internet, seemingly written by different people on different blogs but with the same theme - some mysterious “they”, not the electricity companies, not the ageing infrastructure that should have been replaced decades ago but “they” are making these companies retire coal fired power stations. Truth is coal is expensive and a lot of US and when you take time to click on the embedded links in the article you find this is the real reason for closure - expense

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/05...lectricity-shortage-warnings-grow-across-u-s/

    What was that?? Maintenance? So……. Help me out here - since when did the IPCC or any other climate activists cause “maintenance”?
     
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    What has population got to do with it?
     
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    Mandated closures are outpacing new capacity.
     
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    The figures are for GDP.
     
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    Lols! And if that don’t work we have

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    Oh! And you know how all this renewable energy relies on “rare earth” technology and resources?

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    But who is mandating them? This is what the article does NOT say but carefully let’s you assume it is some governmental program. I am putting money on the fact that they are falling apart since I have been reading for years about the coming electricity crisis in America where companies have put profit over maintenance and replacement

    https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=50838
     
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    There are several causes, which are explained in the links embedded in the post. In California, for example, the problem is entirely driven by government-mandated plant closures. In Indiana there is a transition from coal to gas and renewable generation. In other states hydro has not produced as much power as expected, etc.
     
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    Soooo, only in one state is it actually “mandated” the rest is bad planning by electrical companies plus climate change itself causing a mega drought
     
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    Well, no. The Indiana transition is mandated, as are the others, either by law or incentives/disincentives. (And California is a really big state.) And drought is more hype than real.
    Looking at the USA drought monitor map for summer 1934 and summer 2019, the difference becomes clear.

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    Using a tree-ring-based drought record from the years 1000 to 2005 and modern records, scientists from NASA and Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory found the 1934 drought was 30 percent more severe than the runner-up drought (in 1580) and extended across 71.6 percent of western North America.
     
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    oh well! Perhaps Beau is wrong
     
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    He's just incomplete.
    Outflow (water usage) has greatly increased over the last few decades due to massive population increases in Phoenix, Las Vegas and Southern California – not to mention the large and ever increasing amount of water being used by the biofuels industry.
    On a personal note, Mrs. Hays and I decided against retiring to Arizona because we concluded the population there has already outrun sustainable water supply.
     
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    https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/california/articles/2021-06-23/report-california-governor-overstated-fire-prevention-work

    POS Gavin Newsome cut the fire prevention budget by half in California. Too bad for those who lost farms or homes eh?

    That's what these libos call science. Let fires happen and then claim it is all caused by climate change. These people have no moral decency at all.
     
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    Today, gas fired plants are on the rise, obviously.

    I don't believe that article makes your case concerning there being a plan for shortages.
     
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    We shall see.
     
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    You're claiming there is a conspiracy.

    That's a serious allegation, as it brings distrust of all efforts to increase power generation and do the necessary improvements to electricity delivery infrastructure.

    We probably need nuclear energy. How the heck are we going to gain the trust required for that while promoting electricity generation as a conspiracy of nefarious individuals seeking to gain through use of the government?

    Likewise, how can the needed improvements in delivery infrastructure be made under those same conditions of fanning the flames of conspiracy?


    If you think there is a conspiracy, you better have some VERY serious evidence, not the fluff that results in "we'll see" at the smallest challenge.
     
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    Sorry, but the only one using the word "conspiracy" is you. There need be no conspiracy if government policy simply knowingly leads to shortages.
     
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    Your descriptions have been those of a conspiracy.

    Your comments and articles have been about INTENDED CONSEQUENCES of unidentified nefarious operators.

    That's a conspiracy.
     
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    You obviously did not read the article.
     
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    The USA and Europe are absolutely NOT retreating from prosperity.

    And, yes, India and China are a real challenge, as their economies continue rapid expansion. And, we have no answer for them.

    China already leads the world in the clean energy technology sector - a sector that will continue to grow.
     
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    Hmmm.
    China coal use exploding, U.S. leads world in CO2 reductions, alarmist media conceal all this & much more
    Guest essay by Larry Hamlin In the scientifically unsupported wacky world of climate alarmism propaganda hype and media hysteria the public is threatened with claims that our country must commit…

    Global Coal Consumption Reaches New Record High In 2021…China, India Consuming Two Thirds
    According to the International Energy Agency’s (IEA) Coal 2021 report, coal-fired electricity generation reached an all-time high in 2021, increasing a whopping 9% in 2021. . . .

    China To Build 43 New Coal-Fired Power Plants
    The report reckons that these new coal plants and blast furnaces will add 150 million tonnes to China’s CO2 emissions. This is roughly half the UK’s total emissions. . . .
     
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    That doesn't counter anything I said.
     
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    Really? I guess this must be your perspective.

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    Coal is booming.
    What Paris Agreement? Worker Shortage Impeding Global Coal Production Surge
    Eric Worrall
    As global demand for coal skyrockets, a shortage of coal miners is the biggest impediment the growing coal renaissance.

    Coal Mines Struggle From Worker Shortage As Demand Soars Worldwide

    WRITTEN BY JAKE KARALEXIS ON MAY 13, 2022. POSTED IN LATEST NEWS

    In Benwood, West Virginia, money comes in as coal goes out.

    “They can’t mine it fast enough,” said Benwood Economic Development Director Frank Longwell. “That’s how we pay our bills here in the community.” [bold, links added]

    Longwell remembers when coal mines were so popular that they were turning away job applicants. You can make $100,000 a year mining coal in Benwood.

    But coal miners are going through a hiring shortage, which is hurting production.

    “The main complaint that I hear on a daily basis: ‘We need people,’” Longwell said. “Some of the production does get cut back because they don’t have the people.”



    Read more: https://climatechangedispatch.com/c...om-worker-shortage-as-demand-soars-worldwide/
    According to Bloomberg, China is leading the rebound in coal demand, in an effort to protect economic growth and shield their economy from further energy shocks. . . . .
     

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