when the real scientists finally accept the AGW research maybe the flat earth members will give up their cosmic rays pseudo science....nah! no chance of that Richard Muller a physicist and climate change sceptic who founded the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature (Best) project, said he was surprised by the findings. "We were not expecting this, but as scientists, it is our duty to let the evidence change our minds." He added that he now considers himself a "converted sceptic" and his views had undergone a "total turnaround" in a short space of time. "Our results show that the average temperature of the Earth's land has risen by 2.5F over the past 250 years, including an increase of 1.5 degrees over the most recent 50 years. Moreover, it appears likely that essentially all of this increase results from the human emission of greenhouse gases," http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/jul/29/climate-change-sceptics-change-mind
http://www.businessinsider.com/koch-brothers-funded-study-proves-climate-change-2012-7 Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/koch-brothers-funded-study-proves-climate-change-2012-7#ixzz22EIjJgJ8 And for funding Heartland, the Koch Brothers and anybody who fund or have anything to do with Heartland should get busted, for seditious conspiracy, but hey, so should any Democrats or Republicans, who deliberately gridlock and boondoggle, in the course of violating the US Constitution, professionally.
First the Koch brothers didn't' fund any skeptic research at the heartland institute. That claim comes from a proven fraudulent memo with the probable forger being warmmonger Peter Gleick. The forged memo wrongfully attributed money that had gone to a study on health insurance to climate change because the forger didn't know what the financing codes in the stolen heartland funding documents meant. The wrong attribution of where the Koch brothers money had gone in the fraudulent memo was one of the major pieces of evidence proving that the memo was a fraud. So, this article begins with a lie. Second, Muller was never a skeptic. As our own member Poptech showed quite clearly. http://www.populartechnology.net/2012/06/truth-about-richard-muller.html Muller claiming to be a skeptic is just a show to convince people who dont know any better. Third Muller's claims have twice failed to pass peer review and his own co-author calls his attribution claims "way over simplistic and not at all convincing in my opinion". http://tomnelson.blogspot.com/2012/07/climate-change-study-forces-sceptical.html
I believe you, when you say Muller was never a proper skeptic. Maybe he was a DENIER. Muller advocated fracking, in an interview, televised, on Democracy NOW! Whatever he was, since he's a fracker, he is like a drug dealer, trying to sell his brand of speed, in bath-houses, like that crank will slow down the spread, of HIV. Next, you have an interesting case, how the Koch brothers never funded Heartland. But a lot of links are up, claiming Koch-owned corporations gave money and media, to Heartland, since it was founded, in 1984: http://www.desmogblog.com/heartland-institute-manifestation-kochtopus-empire http://www.desmogblog.com/heartland...documents-unmask-heart-climate-denial-machine http://www.polluterwatch.com/category/freetagging/willie-soon Democracy NOW! reported Charles Koch funded the Muller study. See David's name, on the Prosperity Foundation chair? Hey, now. This may be where the family splits. http://www.polluterwatch.com/heartland-institute So much, for your claims about Peter Gleick. http://www.polluterwatch.com/greenpeace-investigates-heartland-institute-leaked-documents http://boingboing.net/tag/koch-brothers/ (the leak and Gleick affair) http://www.exxonsecrets.org/html/orgfactsheet.php?id=41 ------------------------ I don't know, dude! I think Heartland is up to no good, I think they are going down, I think the Koch money got to them, since Heartland was founded, I think corporations are fleeing, from Heartland, and I think there is probably a split, between Dave and Charlie, over all this. Your post is interesting, but you need to read more things that come up on searches, than whatever Heartland or their stooge Anthony Watt blog up.
When bobgnote starts making walls of garbage red and bold we will have a copy of Lepper. Have you seen the documents being called fake? Or was that livefree?
There's the new mantra of the deniers, as they desperately try to deny the reality of the BEST studies that once again debunk their favorite myths, as many other climate scientists have repeatedly done in the past. Let's finish off this BS right here with some straight talk about the denier cultists' confusion over the meaning of the term 'skeptic'. In fact, Dr. Muller was a skeptic in the proper scientific sense of withholding judgment until he felt persuaded by the evidence. The deluded denier cultists have been bamboozled into thinking that 'skeptic' means a close-minded, anti-scientific, brainwashed dupe like themselves, picking and choosing their data to shore up an ideological position. There is actually an enormous difference between being a true 'skeptic' and being a brainwashed 'denier'. When a reporter asked him recently if it's really accurate to say he was ever a sceptic, Muller replied: "I have considered myself only to be a properly sceptical scientist. Some people have called me a denier - no, that's completely wrong. If anything, I was agnostic. I just hope that some people like you will read my books and papers, and read what I say - not what people say I say."" 'There's plenty of room for scepticism' climate study author Richard Muller The BEST project's Prof Richard Muller on global warming, the meaning of 'scepticism', and the importance of transparency The Guardian Friday 3 August 2012 ******** Skeptics, Contrarians, or Deniers? Why real skeptics detest global warming Deniers Climate Change Deniers: More Fraud Artists than Skeptics Stern: Climate change deniers are 'flat-earthers'
LOL. You are still repeating the same gibberish you did a few months ago. Do you want me to link to the thread or would you rather save yourself the embarrassment?
I do. Have you seen how my answers being, simple and ignoring insults and insunations spitting by believers? Link, let newbees see the difference again. So it was the Lepper, not livefree... not too much of a difference.
Actually google returned no results. The fact you are still pushing this nonsensical argument is rather amusing though. Simply calling the documents fake doesn't make it so. You are not God.
Heartland alleged one document, of several is a "fake," but Gleick didn't forge it, according to the report. In any case, the allegations of several avenues of Koch involvement are so various, the interesting question is whether David Koch is the family schmuck. Who continues to support Heartland, now that corporations are pulling away, but common idiots are still rallying, behind the Heartland media? What was Charles' Koch's role, since he funded Muller's research, and WHEN WILL YOU QUIT BEING RIDICULOUS, Inquisitor? Muller is or was a "skeptic," since he didn't accept ANTHROPOGENIC Global Warming, but he says the dataset he has now confirms HUMAN CAUSED Global Warming. Even so, Muller is just offering deniers a fallback position, since he advocates fracking, which is like letting meth dealers pass out free needles, at an HIV-infested bath-house, while claiming their crank is cleaner, so patrons should go ahead and continue unsafe sex and sharing needles, to pass their HIV and make the AIDS epidemic worse. Only immediate development of CO2-neutral biomass and radical re-greening of deserts and polluted areas will help alleviate what is happening, which will kill species and families, plenty. Global warming is causing climate change, which is leading us into MASS EXTINCTION EVENT 6, just like every other time of climate change, triggered by a rapid rise in CO2 has led the Earth to warming and a mass extinction. Pay attention, Inquisitor. EVERY TIME THE CO2 GOES UP, FAST, past the common Pleistocene-Holocene optimum of 280 ppm, THE EARTH SUFFERS A MASS EXTINCTION. Guess what is going to happen, to deniers? E-X-T-I-N-C-T-I-O-N. Our CO2 and CH4 concentrations are increasing, faster, than before any previous mass extinction AND the relatively recent (56 m.y.a.) PETM event. Guess what is going to happen, to people who keep trying to deny climate change, with garbage? For now, you get to keep posting garbage, like straw-man arguments. NFL.
