Clinton VS Trump %?

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Guess the result of next Presidential elections

Poll closed Oct 10, 2016.
  1. Trump > 60%

    2 vote(s)
    3.4%
  2. Trump > 55%

    10 vote(s)
    17.2%
  3. Trump > 50%

    9 vote(s)
    15.5%
  4. Too close to call

    13 vote(s)
    22.4%
  5. Clinton > 50%

    12 vote(s)
    20.7%
  6. Clinton > 55%

    7 vote(s)
    12.1%
  7. Clinton > 60%

    5 vote(s)
    8.6%
  1. PatriotNews

    PatriotNews Well-Known Member

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    You are the one insulting blacks. You keeps insinuating that only college educated people are smart and therefore they don't vote for Trump, which first of all is not true. The college educated always vote for the GOP. Secondly, you are saying that black people are stupid because they have low education levels, but that's okay as long as they are voting for democrats.

    Maybe you should stop being racist by dividing up Americans according to the "demographics" which is just racist demagoguery.
     
  2. AlpinLuke

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    The situation of the GOP is clear and evident. The weakness, political weakness, of the leaders of the Good Old Party has allowed a phenomenon of communication to take over the "train". And that's all. Cruz can say what he wants, but he is not exactly a political leader [because of charity I don't spend words about Romney].

    On the other side, the Democrat Party presents a very interesting context: Clinton, to win, has to adopt something from the policies of Sanders, at least enough to persuade his electors to vote for her. But what could "Mrs Power" change in her planned policies?

    This aspect of the incoming final electoral campaign will be pivotal.

    Will Clinton be able to become more leftist without alarming the markets and overall who is financing her?
     
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    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I doubt even if Johnson reached 15% as sort of mandated by the so called bi-partisan debate committee they would let him in. That is the last thing the two major parties want. The two major parties took the debates away from the League of Women's Voters because they had let Perot into the debates. If Johnson starts to get close to the 15%, watch the bi-partisan debate committee raise the bar to 20%.
     
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    There are those in a 90% White party who like to pretend that the vast majority of non-White Americans join the other party because it is racist.

    Either all these Americans are being accused of being very, very stupid, or that defense is very, very stupid.

    Is Trump's core of support older, less-educated, White males? Yes, that is what surveys consistently show.

    Are all Trump supporters older, less-educated, White males? Of course not.

    Do older, less-educated, White males have as much right to vote their perceived self-interest as much as anyone else?

    Of course they do.


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    Too close to call, but it will be very close as far as vote numbers. The Electoral map might be a runway victory though for one of them
     
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    Ideologically, I would put Castle on the top of my list of all candidates. But practicality tells me a vote for Trump is the only practical way of keeping Hillary from furthering our demise.
     
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    I thought close to 90 percent of all black people voted for Democrats. I think it's a character flaw supported by a liberal black leadership.
     
  8. PatriotNews

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    2/3rds of people don't have college educations. Trump has support from white men, yes. And white women. And blacks, and Hispanics and Asians. Some are college educated. Some are not. That doesn't mean they are stupid. So just stop with the education shaming because as I said, Hillary's supporters are primarily black, and if you are shaming people for their lack of education then you are being racist to Hillary supporters.
     
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    my father is one of the smartest people I have ever met. No college.... served in Vietnam and survived the Tet Offensive when he was 18. came home and built a three story house with zero training or experience all by himself. he read a book LOL. self educated. College is not a good measure of "education". I have lots of college and it takes me a week to figure out how to fix a washing machine. my fathers level of intelligence is off the charts as far as i am concerned. Myself.... I have to struggle through it making mistakes over and over again like some sort of Wile E. Coyote. We have an.... interesting.... relationship.

    I will give you another one... my son 6 years old has never set foot in a classroom. I taught him simple math addition and subtraction. he does division now for fun... I never taught it too him nor did anyone else. I just threw the workbook in front of him and basically let him play with it and figure it out which he did. he can also read which i never taught him. He plays seduko for fun and doesnt like toys or Television. Unlike his 4 year old brother who is dumb as a rock and wants to be a jedi. The 4 year old may just have the determination to build a real lightsaber someday though LOL.

    point is.. intelligence.... some people just have it. Some can discover and manufacture it. The only prerequisite I have been able to determine is the desire and ability to think and self motivate. This is not a staple of our current educational system and there are a lot of very useless "educated" people who are not self motivated and look at thinking as too difficult resulting in a large number of non motivated unthinking robots who have little to no direction and therefore base beliefs and assumption on emotion.
     
  10. AlpinLuke

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    I agree, sure for a forum to imagine a prediction about the electoral map of next Presidential elections would be a quite excessive effort. Some states seem to be traditionally with this or that party [and so with this or that candidate], but not a few, in this context, are well difficult to interpret.
     
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    To have some chances, the Republican candidate should find a way to win in one of the great blue states [CA, IL, NY], but I think that this is quite improbable, now. Let's see what happens while we get close to the date of the elections.

    In any case, for accuracy, today the previsions about the electoral map don't give great hopes to Trump. Take a look at these maps: http://www.270towin.com/2016-election-forecast-predictions/
     
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    If you wish to pretend that Trump is a popular candidate with Black Americans, Hispanic Americans, Asian Americans, female Americans, and younger, better-educated Americans, you can, but it is more in the interest of Trumpies to acknowledge the reality and try to redress it - just as Clintonians will attempt to attract more of those older, White, blue collar males.

    Why do you need to insinuate "stupidity" into the matter?

    The demographic data in no way denigrates anyone based upon his level of education. It is an objective recognition of the reality, so there is no reason for you to become defensive about it. Americans without college educations, the majority, have as much legitimacy in voting their perceived self-interest as anyone else, including single women:

    This does not imply that Trump has no female support:

    Ideological cheerleaders who become angry at and in denial of empirical data rather than perceiving it as a valuable tool in identifying areas of weakness that need to be addressed are allowing their emotions to stifle reason.
     
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    Young black American support Trump:
    [video=youtube;FuUXuTQ4-0Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuUXuTQ4-0Y[/video]

    Young black women support Trump:
    [video=youtube;j7_Hxvitzm8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7_Hxvitzm8[/video]

    Another young black person for Trump:
    [video=youtube;9Jz1Pn71kFs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jz1Pn71kFs[/video]

    More blacks for Trump:
    [video=youtube;e2y_rA9c6BI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2y_rA9c6BI[/video]

    And...
    [video=youtube;cn00YXkR1jw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn00YXkR1jw[/video]
     
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    I am Hispanic - To the left - STOP SPEAKING FOR US!!!
    Hispanics for Trump part 1:
    [video=youtube;fRb449BPhz4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRb449BPhz4[/video]

    Part 2:
    [video=youtube;PEngw51URQQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEngw51URQQ[/video]

    Part 3:
    [video=youtube;eZ99DaP0Knc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZ99DaP0Knc[/video]

    Stop speaking for us!!!
    [video=youtube;WR8MEklu0IE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR8MEklu0IE[/video]
     
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    We understand that democrats use identity politics to divide America and pit one American against another. We Republicans don't do that. We are not racialists like the democrats. We are the unifiers. We don't hate and discriminate like the left does. We don't divide America by race, gender and ethnicity.

    I understand why you must try to win the minorities over by pointing out the disparity in support. Because should those groups wise up and figure out that supporting democrats for many years has earned them nothing, the democrat party will be over. You have to keep blacks on the plantation by portraying the party of abolition of slavery as a racist party. You have to keep women on the plantation by portraying the party of Women's Suffrage as the misogynist party.

    We understand the only way the democrat party can win this year is to lie to the American Public.
    Asians for Trump:
    [video=youtube;27p0SpUt1Bw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27p0SpUt1Bw[/video]

    Women for Trump:
    [video=youtube;Xc2GIL39Hjs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc2GIL39Hjs[/video]
     
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    If you are happy with the rare exceptions, good for you!

    Maintain extremely low expectations and you won't be disappointed.

    Just avoid the non-partisan polls.
     
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    I expect that the racist attitude towards blacks and minorities that the democrats have will one day end and the arrogance of Democrats who expect the blacks, the Jews, the Hispanics, the gays and women to dutifully vote for them for their divisive special interests will be the downfall of the Democratic Party.
     
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    It is a mystery why "Blacks and minorities," all those "Jews, the Hispanics, the gays and women" don't follow the demands of Angry White Guys who tell them how they should vote. Not to mention better-educated younger voters - women especially.

    All those folks have a habit of deciding for themselves, and that makes the AWGs very, very pissy.


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    Blacks vote Democratic because Democrats pander to them. That's not insulting Blacks. it's insulting Democrats.
     
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    Slight correction in your analysis of Hillary voters. White woman voters favor Trump, so your list just needs to read

    Hispanics
    Blacks
    Liberals
     
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    Have you witnessed all the misguided white women at the DNC? It is disheartening. Got any stats to show Trump leading the pack with white women?
     
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    Oh, that's all you got left? Racist insults? Figures.
     
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    This is interesting and, with the words of Obama at last Dem Convention, it indicates that actually surprises are possible [also in a traditional "big blue" state, may be ... at the end, just to say, California has had also Republican governors ...].
     

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