CNN's Toobin vs. Alan Dershowitz: What Side Are You On? Are You Embarrassed Defending Trump?

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  1. Reasonablerob

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    CNN should read his books, then they wouldn't try to match wits with him. I wonder if they would have asked the same question of Bill Clinton's defence lawyers?
     
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    I don't get your point, he's just saying that he's not politically biased, that if Hilary were facing the same charges as Trump he'd defend her too.
     
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    And I'm sure he sent them packing?
     
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    But Clinton was guilty and quite blatantly so, he's arguing here that what Trump is accused off isn't even a crime.
     
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    What this actually demonstrates is how lousy the Constitution is. Those who wrote it did an appalling job, leaving people like the D bloke arguing what was in their minds when they wrote the garbage. You know...leaving so many gaps that anyone gets to re-write it.

    If Trump did what he is accused of (raiding the public purse to feather his own nest) that is as akin to treason as one can get.
     
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    Sounds exactly like what Biden did for his son and other family members. And now, Americans want to know. Our money given Ukraine during the Obama administration got pilfered by oligarchs (like Hunter Biden's boss) and laundered through off-shore accounts. Our money given by the Trump administration paid for military equipment for Ukraine to fight against Russian tanks of their soil.

    ...and our Constitution is one of the most brilliant documents ever written.
     
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    Get after Biden then. What stops you. This is about Trump, yes?

    As for your most 'brilliant document ever written'......how many times has SCOTUS had to fill in the gaps. It is a document written for the times...way back then, and it is not standing the test of time.
     
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    Pelosi/Schiff/Nadler made it about Biden as much as about Trump when they zeroed in on a short quote from one phone call. To prove his defense, all Trump has to do is show that there was legitimate cause in the public interest to request an investigation into the Biden's activities. The public is now interested.

    A document which outlines a process for citizens to enjoy life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, given to us by our creator, as described in the Declaration of Independence, is absolutely timeless.
     
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    It's only political when there is no listening only talking. The GOP has made it clear they have no interest in the facts of the case and won't even read the relevant documents. Truth be damned.
     
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    What facts? The entire impeachment is based on opinions and interpretation. NO facts. Democrats wanted to impeach on day fricking 1. Trump wasn’t even sworn in and many elected officials were calling for impeachment. And the MSM was calling for it too. All of them making wild accusations about everything without ANY PROOF.

    The whistleblower that got this “started” with no direct knowledge of a damn thing. He/she reported him on a hunch. Literally because of what other people thought or how they felt about what Trump meant. NO FACTS!!!

    If we had facts this would be over already or we’d be deep into a bipartisan trial. But we’re not. It’s a political witch-hunt because those wanting to impeach Trump wanted it before they had anything legitimate to impeach him on.

    It’s a joke. Major Dem Leaders are on record stating impeachment should only happen if it’s bipartisan and look at what they’re doing. Hypocrites. All of them.
     
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    Only someone that didn't watch any of the impeachment hearings would make such an uniformed post. An investigation begins with a "hunch" and goes from there. At least two people testified with direct knowledge of the calls because they were on it.

    Fact after fact was presented in the testimony which involved top Stated
    Department and Intelligence experts. Yes, I know, Trump hates experts because of his fabulous brain that knows more about anything than anybody.
    Trump's own Ambassador (Sondland) verified the fact Trump was interested on going after the Bidens, not corruption. That Trump wanted Ukraine to announce the Biden "investigation" before gettin aid was also confirmed by Sondland.

    A jury in a civil trial would have Trump in jail by now on this evidence alone. All your post consists of is anger, swearing and exclamations. No facts whatsoever.
     
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    The hearing contained ZERO FACTS. Only
    People opinions of what they thought happened and what they thought people meant. That’s a fact.

    if what you say is true than this entire thing would be bipartisan because it would be obvious because the evidence would be clear. It’s NOT clear. You’re blinded by rage. You think Rs in govt like Trump? You think they’re sticking behind him because of his moral character, hehe. TDS is bad for your brain.

    Yiu want to know how I know this. They wanted Trump impeached before they had any reason to impeach him. That’s why it’s all a joke.
     
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    The truth of the matter is the despicable sham Schiff and Pelosi conceived in secret with no due process. How could anyone be so obtuse? Democrats elected a flock of radical fools. Their coup attempt failed. Hope for a speedy Senate trial to avoid more embarrassment.
     
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    Gawd.......'given to us by our creator'.........Who is that?
     
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    “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”

    I'm sorry if you don't know your creator. Bless your heart. :(
     
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    Going by what Demcrats are doing to Trump, he doesn't have to prove you wrong. You have to prove yourself right.
     
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    Hell you cant even state his position accurately or honestly! Wtf ?
     
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    I'm responding to the poster who said that.... if they misstated something (and I believe they probably did), take it up with them...
     
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    He is standing up for the constitution so he will be kicked out of the club. He may not admit this but know for certain in November he will be checking the Trump box. Another actually really "woke" democrat.
     
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    You didnt read what Dershowitz said and was posted on this OP?

    He never said he was against all impeachments.

    He is a rare dem. Unlike the rest the man has principles and does not forget he has them when the rest of the party allows partisanship to trump principles
     
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    I read it.. it was mischaracterized by the poster and I didn't feel like pointing out the differences..

    Bottom line, here's my stance on the Dershy 2020 version

    SNIP
    And yet Alan Dershowitz, the Harvard law professor and self-professed liberal who has lately taken to defending Trump against all comers, insists that everyone’s got it wrong. That includes, apparently, Dershowitz himself, who argued back in 1998 that “if you have somebody who completely corrupts the office of president and who abuses trust and who poses great danger to our liberty, you don’t need a technical crime.” Now, Dershowitz argues that to be impeachable, a president’s behavior must be, if not criminal, at least “crime-like”— an argument that could charitably be described as legal-like.
    ENDSNIP

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/why-trumps-threadbare-legal-argument-130930670.html

    Now Dershy "retracts" his Clinton era statement

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/alan-dershowitz-impeachment-retract_n_5e277b64c5b6164d76de5a5b

    As if that were actually possible...
     

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