Congressman: Jewish settlers are like termites

Except that he used the term settlers not "all those in settlements", most people would recognize he is referring to adults and not children, so I ask again why is he described as antisemitic?

I have also noted the double standards you apply when a terrorists house is bulldozed, after all the Israeli state makes no exception for children of terrorists, punishing them and every other member of the family for the sins of the terrorist!

It is refreshing you finally understand how racism is part of the Israeli state.

 

LOL yes you seem to get it. Making that distinction at the very least or, just one such as the person signing the papers would suffice. Then we won't have to accuse all Palestinians of being terrorists, just those who commit terrorism and who voted for Hamas.

Seems you need to have a look at the OP again as he said;

""“There has been a steady [stream], almost like termites can get into a residence and eat before you know that you’ve been eaten up and you fall in on yourself,""

Children who have no say in this matter have gotten into the residence so you may now have to rethink your entire premise.

Please quote me stating that about terrorists homes being bulldozed so we can discuss otherwise cease with the silly claptrap.

Please

 

No Drew, I along with most people do not condone the punishing of children for the actions of the parents, nor I expect would the congressman. However the Israeli state does.

I am happy to apologize if you do not agree with the Israeli state bulldozing the houses of suspected terrorists and therefor punishing the family members of the terrorist. Is that what you think?

 

He did though as I quoted above.

One thing at a time please. Provide the examples of me applying double standards whenever a house is destroyed and I shall be happy to discuss once we put the above matter to rest. You know, the one where the congressman called as you said he did not "all those in settlements" termites.

 

You got busted again Drew, live with it.

Either you agree with Israel that children should be punished for the sins of there fathers or you do not.

I along with most people would not think that the congressman was referring to the children of the settlers, that you do shows how you think, just like the Israeli government. But please prove me wrong and I will apologize, do you agree the children should be punished for the sins of their fathers, it is simple even for you.

 

You got busted pal for saying the congressman said nothing of the sort when he did and me for saying something I didn't and now want to morph the discussion into something else that I will be glad to do so once you admit you have been a bit less than truthful so far.

So, do you admit you fibbed when saying the congressman said nothing of the sort and you have no examples of me saying all are guilty whenever a home is bulldozed?

 

Has truth anything to do for being Democrat or Republican? Not really ... and it has nothing to do with hate on Jews or Israel, but with facts!

Isn't it interesting how many illegal (even by Israeli law illegal !!!) settlements are existing and where the state does nothing against?

 

I have included my original quote so we can see who is fibbing, now point out in the article where this guy says "all those in settlements".

But of course you are deflecting from the main point as usual, why was his statement antisemitic?

Only you think children are accountable for the actions of the rest of the household, I don't have to show it, you keep saying it! No one else would think that someone calling Islamic Radicals scum is required to qualify that by saying Islamic Radicals are scum, but not their children. It is just pathetic you try to use the fact the congressman did not qualify the statement to back up the accusation of antisemitism.

 

I don't think it's antisemitic to call every person in settlements a termite but just like calling every Palestinian a terrorist I think it's wrong. I also corrected you when you said he didn't call all those in settlements termites. Aside from that I think I've laid it all out pretty good as far as this discussion is concerned so if you wish to move onto something else provide an example or quote and carry on.

 

Right so you could not answer my original question which was "why is he antisemitic?"

Now show where he called "all those in settlements termites" as you stated!

And yes lets move on, do you think that children should be punished for the actions of their parents?

 

I really can't think of any other reason why he would call children termites unless he hated them enough for some reason. Antisemitism would be a good possibility though unless you can show us how his hatred of those children comes from another source.

He did himself when he said "“There has been a steady [stream], almost like termites can get into a residence and eat before you know that you’ve been eaten up and you fall in on yourself,"".

No, until we get this out of the way there is no need to move on and serves no purpose. The point is the guy called everybody in settlements termites and neither I nor anyone on the thread has shown a reason why he can make that sweeping statement which leaves antisemitism as an obvious possibility.

 

Yes. Indeed. But of course one shouldn't include Hamas voters in that unless one also included Israeli right wing voters also.

We must also differentiate between those who attack soldiers or fighters and those whose actions affect civilians.

This is all straight forward stuff.

 

No that's completely wrong. He made no mention of the children specifically and therefore as they are not independent actors they cannot reasonably be included in analysis of his description. He had no reason to condemn children and therfore he likely didn't.

The reason you ask for. Why he can make a sweeping statement is simple. It's easier and everyone of sound mind can recognise that he is not necessarily including children in his statement.

I'm happy to stay on this small point as you like.

 

If it quacks like a duck....

 

I wonder if he wore that bad rug while he was in the joint.

 

Hamas is a terrorist organization who's actions against Israel are for the most part terrorist attacks against civilians whereas the IDF and Israeli government's actions are military and seek to stop and thwart terrorist acts so, we could say that all those who voted for Hamas are terrorist and all those who voted for Israel's government want to stop terrorists.

Those who target civilians as Hamas does are terrorists and those who target Hamas are military. If proportional collateral casualties occur with civilians when military operations occur to stop terrorism it is the actions of the terrorists who are to blame not the counter operations. Conversely if Hamas (which is a terrorist organization) attacks the IDF then it is an act of insurgency not terrorism even though they are a terrorist organization.

You need to re read the OP as well as his more complete statement as he referred to Jewish residents of the settlements which naturally include men women and children who are Jewish.

Here is his quote;

""“There has been a steady [stream], almost like termites can get into a residence and eat before you know that you’ve been eaten up and you fall in on yourself, there has been settlement activity that has marched forward with impunity and at an ever increasing rate to the point where it has become alarming,” Mr. Johnson said.

“You see one home after another being appropriated by Jewish people who come in to claim that land just because somebody did not spend the night there”""

He's calling Jews who reside there termites. That includes women and children who are Jewish who live there and is an antisemitic comment.

It not mine but rather the US State Department and is not required for this application as the congressman was quite clear in his words as to whether he was being antisemitic. He referred to all Jewish residents and called them termites. If referring to all those of a particular ethnoreligious group living in an area as insects is not racism then what would it be I wonder.

 

It's a decent analogy. He might have added that the Palestinians are like cockroaches as they can't get rid of them.

 

No that's wrong. Hamas is the elected government of Gaza. It has committed terrorist attacks. As the Jewish peoples government has. As of now Hamas is not a terror organisation.
Israeli right wing voters want to continue illegal occupation and settlements. Making their voters no better and no worse than Hamas voters.

Hamas acts legitimately in the defence of its territory from Israeli incursion. It's rocket attacks are merely proportional attacks using the weapons it has. When they have the appropriate weapons to directly attack through IDF they use them rather than attacking Israeli civilians with everything they have.

No it naturally does not include children. The quote demonstrates my point of view and not yours.

It's a bogus attempt to demonise legitimate opposition to Israeli policy.

 

Can't remember the last time the IDF set about a program of deliberately targeting Palestinian civilians as all I know is them targeting Hamas who use their civilians as human shields.

It is to the US, Australia, the EU, Canada UK and a couple of others.

While settlements may be illegal the occupation is not. As well, they don't have a government program of deliberately targeting civilians for rocket attacks as Hamas does. Huge difference.

Incredible. You just gave your blessing for the use of terrorism.

Nothing in there about excluding children as they are not residents rather we both know children are residents so they are included.

If by legitimate you mean demonizing an enemy with racism, double standards and stating his nation and collective peoples have no right to exist then to you, it would be bogus but that is not the case.

To sum up, you have attempted to defend two very hateful positions as you believe that terrorism is a good thing to do and, believe that it's perfectly fine to call Jews insects.

 

The civilians killed in the last invasion were not Hamas. The Israeli government has continued punishing entire populations in order to establish settlements. Hamas did not use human shields.

That's nice.

Settlements are illegal and affect every Palestinian. And Hamas rockets have no targeting capabilities.

No more than the West used indiscriminate weapons in ww2. You just gave your blessing to incursion against Gazan self defence.

Children are not independent actors. So there's no need to exclude them. They are naturally excluded.

It's legitimate to question Israel's right to exist. It's legit also to decry Israeli settlers. To question that legitimacy is a bogus attempt to silence criticism.

 

many parts of post WW1-Poland were NOT majority Polish, especially in the south east.

 

Before there were Kievan Rus in Western Ukraine, there were Lendians who were Lechites, or Polish tribes.

 

Ask to common Americans what Congressmen and Congresswomen are ... you will be shocked by the answers ...

 

Eradicating terrorists who use their own people as human shields unfortunately often results in causing civilian casualties,. Thankfully the IDF has achieved the lowest ratio of civilian combatant deaths in the history of urban warfare which speaks volumes for the care they take to minimize civilian deaths whereas Hamas on the other hand has successfully achieved the reverse with it's 5:1 ratio of Israeli civilians to each IDF killed.

As for Hamas not using human shields they even admit it and brag about it making it Hamas official policy whereas in Israel it is against the law and those who do it are charged.




UN report outlines how Hamas used kids as human shields


Hamas Spokesman Urges Gazans to Act as Human Shields for Hamas Leaders

Hamas Admits to Using Civilians as Human Shields

Hamas used civilians as human shields during the 2014 Gaza war

Conclusive Proof that Hamas Uses Palestinians as Human Shields

Hamas Human Shields

They fire their missiles from populated areas in order to hide amongst the people and thus not only use children as human shields but young, old, women, men as well when they could easily fire their terrorist missiles from less populated areas and not place their entire population in danger.

Heck, it is their official policy as stated by their own Al Aqsa television station by their own Hamas spokesman

[video=youtube;UXZEzbT0H1s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXZEzbT0H1s[/video]

There's tons more in case you wish ti. Let me know.

Sure is. Good to see that there are some even handed civilized nations on earth. Say, how many nations have declared Israel a terrorist group? Please provide the stats from a legitimate source thanks.

Seems they do as they land outside Gaza most of the time and, their own leaders say they are targeting Israeli civilians;

""Hamas: We Wouldn't Target Civilians if We Had Better Weapons
read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.612039""

""Hamas: 'Every Israeli is now a legitimate target' ""

Hardly. When the west attacked cities they had a civilian combatant kill ratio of about 40:1 whereas Israel has lowered this to almost 1:1 or less in some wars. Hamas as discussed earlier is 5:1.

Not by Hamas and when you say this while smirking try to post a link to prove it otherwise I call BS.

You forgot to say that it's ok to call Jews insects as the congressman did which is the point of the entire thread. Remember, the guy who tweeted that Jews were like termites?

 

Hmm, I see the liberal counter culture movement similarly.