Consensus 9/11

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  1. Bob0627

    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    This organization deserves its own thread. They have been instrumental, using evidence based sources, in exposing the many fallacies and unsupported accounts of the official 9/11 narrative, mostly from the 9/11 Commission Report. For more information, please visit:

    http://www.consensus911.org/

    There's a new book out that details the findings of the 9/11 Consensus Panel written by David Ray Griffin and Elizabeth Woodworth called 9/11 Unmasked.

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    And a review by Dick Lowman, P. E.

    (excerpts)

    Over the past 17 years, the Internet has been replete with videos and articles that purport to investigate, analyze, and explain 9/11. For anyone curious about whether the official story is true or not, the biggest challenge lies not in finding material on the subject, but in sifting through it all to determine what is verifiable or merely speculative, factual or false, relevant or irrelevant.

    ....

    The book also explains the purpose of the panel: "to provide the world with a clear statement, based on expert independent opinion, of some of the best evidence opposing the official narrative about 9/11.”


    https://www.ae911truth.org/news/499...view-of-griffin-and-woodworth-s-9-11-unmasked
     
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    IMO, these 3 paragraphs from the review stand out:

    One challenge the panelists face in analyzing the official account is that it is often a moving target, i.e., an evolving narrative. In nine of the 51 chapters (Chapters 11, 12, 19, 20, 29, 30, 36, 49, and 50, to be specific), the authors show how the government's story has changed over time. In each of those chapters, they provide verifiable evidence that discredits the multiple versions.

    "Truth never changes." - Reuen Thomas


    9/11 Unmasked stands out not only for what is included, but also for what is not included. There is no speculation about who perpetrated the attacks. Moreover, emotional subjects such as first responder cancer deaths are not mentioned. 9/11 Unmasked simply lays out the facts that show the official story cannot be true.

    Any one of the 51 chapters, by itself, presents ample evidence to disprove the official account. When all 51 are taken together, the evidence is overwhelming and the conclusion inevitable: A new, independent investigation of 9/11 is imperative.

    And this quote also stands out:


    “9/11 Unmasked by David Ray Griffin and Elizabeth Woodworth is a solid factual review of the veracity of the US Government’s 9/11 Commission report. Griffin and Woodworth expose the many errors and omissions of the official story leaving no doubt that a cover-up of massive proportions was likely undertaken after 9/11/2001. This is a highly recommended source for those questioning what is happening to America today.” - Dr. Peter Phillips, Professor of Political Sociology, Sonoma State University
     
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    18 bucks on Amazon ... just ordered ...
     
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    Bob0627 Well-Known Member

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    You didn’t but if you did let me know your thoughts on the book besides “troofer”. The information I need I can get from the 9/11 Consensus site I provided that you’ll never use.
     
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    I just wasted my money if it has just the same troofer bullshit in your link ... nothing groundbreaking or new ... just the same repeated mantras of troofer nation ...
     
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    In other words you decided it's better for you to just keep your head in the sand and pray to the OCT 3 times a day.
     
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    LOLOL

    Yeah, Send that "troofer controller" more money.
     
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    Gamolon Well-Known Member

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    Yup. Same old debunked, false claims/information.
     
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    this quote gave me a little hope for the book ... I'll refrain from commenting on the book until I have started to read it ... their website is fair game though ...
     
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    Sure Gamo, it’s easy to say for an anonymous internet jockey but it’s quite another to contradict all that extremely well sourced and analyzed detail reviewed by a host of relevant experts.
     
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    That they cannot bring into a courtroom, because everyone laughs at them.
     
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    so you have read the book right? ... I hope you didn't have to pay the full 22 bucks ... get Amazon Prime and you get all the the cool troofer films on TV, discounted books (if you actually read books) and amazing deals at Whole Foods ... 8)
     
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    Nope I didn’t get it. I already said the website is what I really need. I might get it if I think it reveals additional information though. Let me know, thanks.
     
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    You mean like Stephen Jones who used a doctored photo in his 2006 report (referenced as a source by the consensus911 group) that supposedly showed firefighters looking into a hole with MOLTEN STEEL/IRON in it? THAT kind of "relevant" expert?
     
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    numerous troofer cults have tried to get a grand jury on the docket ... with what evidence though? ...

    I feel silly now for ordering a troofer book ... but I love books and will probably read it thoroughly for the first chapters and then flick it onto the floor in disgust ...

    I still have that horrendously bad Judy Wood book ... but it's the panacea of my collection ... I cherish it as the epitome of bad journalism ... it will be passed down to my eldest grandchild ... (he's already a sharp little **** that likes books at less than 4 years old ... he and grandpa are going to have some fun in the future)
     
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    another thing is the "doctored photos".
    Anyone with an IQ higher than a doorknob, knows that when a group brings in one phony photo, it's obvious they are lying,
    But when they bring in countless photos, over and over, a little overkill.
     
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    There is nothing of the sort at the 9/11 Consensus website. Try honesty for a change.
     
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    There's not? They did indeed reference his 2006 study that contained the photo mentioned.

    http://www.consensus911.org/point-tt-6/#N_12

    Part of Jones' analysis located here WITH the picture of the firefighters looking at the supposed "molten metal":
    https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_911_24a.htm
     
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    So that's it? That's the extent of your claim that it's the "Same old debunked, false claims/information"? An alleged unsupported "doctored" photo referenced by Dr. Jones? Good worthless nitpicking find when the objective is strictly to discredit anything and everything that contradicts the OCT and embrace all the coverups, obfuscations, lying and other criminal fraud of the OCT as "truth". Congratulations on your eureka discovery based on your extremely meticulous "research" that has only one purpose. But let's say even if that's true, the molten steel/iron/metal issue is supported by numerous corroborating eyewitness claims even without that photo. Not to mention physical evidence of corroded steel.

    Did your "research" also discover that there are 50 Consensus Points, not just the one that you desperately hope and pray is false which doesn't even come close to making it false?
     
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    LOLOLOLOL

    Did I actually see Bobbi telling someone to be honest.
     
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    Ridiculous isn't it?
     
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    Alleged?

    :roflol:

    Here is the photo Jones used in his paper:
    jones_firemen.jpg

    Here is the original:
    5575.jpg

    Jones' image was cropped from the original AND the color was changed to show the bright area as more "orange". I wonder why he changed his document and removed the photo? But alas Bobby, you'll just not address this and move the goalposts again.

    But the consensus911 panel never referenced Jones' paper eh Bobby? Got caught in a lie covering your poor researched skills.

    :roflol:

    It's funny that every time I show you evidence that the claims you present are total bullcrap, you skip over each one and claim "there's so many more" to try and minimize the damage. You're garbage is coming down brick by brick.
     
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    This first point is just an indication of how idiotic the book and website are.
    Explain why the consensus911 presents evidence of metals not able to be melted as proof that airplane impacts, jet fuel, and office fires caused the towers to collapse when NIST doesn't attribute the melting of steel/metals as a cause of collapse?

    I got one for you. How about changing the above to this?
    The Official Account
    The Twin Towers were brought down by airplane impacts, jet fuel, and office fires.

    The Official Account
    Unicorns are not real so could not have been present at the towers.
     
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    As I said before, just one phony picture presented as evidence, proves they are lying,
    But when an endless stream of doctored pictures is presented as hard evidence, and every one is proven phony, there is no case.

    Except the brain dead hatters of anything government, except the check of course,
     

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