Why is it that conservatives are always proud to talk about how rough, tough, and rugged they are- how they don't want or need government and salute free enterprise and individual effort and prosperity and yet they are always serving or endorsing the machinations of authoritarianism? They support the police state and whatever they do. In any situation they consider the police to be right. They don't support free trade. They endorse big companies, industries, finance, and corporations that often destroy or severely impede true free market enterprise. These same companies will also systematically weave themselves into the fabric of government making them virtually indistinguishable. They support the military- whatever they do. They will claim they aren't for war, but if war if forced on us then they will claim any criticism of the military is sacrilege. They support a religious-like veneration of the government or state. Blasphemers or non-patriots beware. They are indifferent to any information that comes out that exposes the corruption or criminal activity in these organizations unless- sometimes- it comes from the left. Not saying that the left doesn't have their own bag of bullcrap, but it's a different color and smell than the brand you got here. Not better or worse, just different, and I supposed I'd start on this side of the isle by asking how do you reconcile these conflicting beliefs.
Just like liberals, there are different strains of conservatism. Like your strawman version of us, though. (I'm a small government conservative, I'm against the police state, against eminent domain usage to build shopping malls, I want less regulation, because most regulations just enable the huge corporations and hurt small business, I'm all for free trade. The military is one of the few things that the federal government is authorized to do. I mistrust government/state as entities, but I do love the country. Corruption is wrong whether it's by Republicans or democrats. Personally, I'm more outraged with Republican corruption than Democrat corruption, as I feel my side should be better than that.
Let me make this clear for you buddy The right doesn't want to limit speech The right doesn't want to remove peoples ability to defend themselves and make them rely of the government The right doesn't want to enforce laws that limit the rights of some groups over others (race, religion, gender, sexual orientation) The right doesn't support war. They support the troops. We don't want our own men to die and care about them just as much as you guys do. Perhaps even more. The right doesn't shut down businesses based on religious or political affiliation or create organizations that label them as hateful. The right doesn't dress up in red and black and vandalize neighborhoods and attack anyone who doesn't agree with them with bike locks. The right doesn't create a paradigm that instills fear in anyone who wants to object to their narrative at the risk of being called, xenophobic, racist, transphobic, etc. The right didn't create several social media systems and shut off nearly all liberals from accessing their platforms The right isn't punishing people for having liberal ideas by spreading slander and firing them from positions. The conservatives that you say are bible clinging homophobes that support jim crow and want to "keep women in the kitchen" are almost extinct. This isn't the 1950's any more. We've changed and adopted more progressive ideas like freedom of speech and not judging others by the color of their skin. You guys on the other hand have become far more strict and controlling of America and have condemned violence from the right while turning a blind eye when you do it on a daily basis by claiming it is for a just and noble cause. (social justice, hate crime hoaxes, antifa)
While there are certainly difference among people who identify as conservatives, all the traits describe are well reperesented by the comments of Trump supporters on this forum.
Well, I'm not going to pretend the left has roses growing from their asses when it comes to control, but ... Ask the Dixie Chicks about what the right did to them when they exercised their freedom of speech. Isn't Trump trying to shut down the leftist Congress members by labeling them unAmerican? Aren't you asking that Social Media companies be FORCED to carry content that goes against their religious or political beliefs? Didn't conservatives want to FORCE a woman to give up her right for herself and her doctor to decide on the use of her own uterus? Didn't conservatives try to FORCE churches from being able to marry Americans who happen to be gay from being able to exercise that right? Didn't a conservative just get put in jail for life for running over and killing a liberal who was exercising her right to peaceful assembly No - liberals certainly can't claim to be perfect on the issue of rights - but your claims of sainthood on the subject when it comes to conservatives is just laughable.
Ummm......not so fast! Let me make this clear for you buddy “The right doesn't want to limit speech” There is Donald Trump suggesting that licenses be taken away from broadcasters who don’t tow his line. If you want the video, I’ll post it for you. “The right doesn't want to remove peoples ability to defend themselves and make them rely of the government” I don’t know what that’s supposed to mean, unless its the gun nut’s insisantance that the 38 in his kitchen drawer “protects” him from the government, which is idiotic.... “The right doesn't want to enforce laws that limit the rights of some groups over others (race, religion, gender, sexual orientation)” Actually, segregation was diligently defended by conservatives, and conservatives are behind continue efforts to suppress minority votes. “The right doesn't support war. They support the troops. We don't want our own men to die and care about them just as much as you guys do. Perhaps even more.” Since the end of the Vietnam War, every military action the US has been involved in except Kosovo was initiated by a GOP president. “The right doesn't shut down businesses based on religious or political affiliation or create organizations that label them as hateful.” They most certainly do set up organizations to attack businesses and other groups and label them as hateful. “The right doesn't dress up in red and black and vandalize neighborhoods and attack anyone who doesn't agree with them with bike locks.” No, they wear swastika, chant “Jews will not replace us” and drive their cars into crowds. Their hero calls on crowds to beat up protestors. “The right doesn't create a paradigm that instills fear in anyone who wants to object to their narrative at the risk of being called, xenophobic, racist, transphobic, etc.” Instilling fear, and promoting xenophobia, racism and parochialism are core values in conservative media. Promoting racial, National and ethnic stereotypes are core to the Fox News mission. “The right didn't create several social media systems and shut off nearly all liberals from accessing their platforms The right isn't punishing people for having liberal ideas by spreading slander and firing them from positions.” Social media organizations are private corporations, not political entities. But now that they got caught cashing the checks and looking the other way as the Russians planted fake news all over their platform, and they have taken some steps to do something about it, the right wing noise machine is fighting for it’s audience’s right to be conned by more fake news from the Russians! “The conservatives that you say are bible clinging homophobes that support jim crow and want to "keep women in the kitchen" are almost extinct. This isn't the 1950's any more. We've changed and adopted more progressive ideas like freedom of speech and not judging others by the color of their skin.” Some of them fit that description. As for “women in the kitchen” there is a right wing thread going right now on that theme. As for the bit about the color of people’s skin, we all saw Trump pull out all the old George Wallace tricks last week, and watched the crowd eat it up.
