Conspiracy theories 101

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  1. GodsMan

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    Question: Why are there conspiracy theories? Answer: Conspiracy theorists have nothing better to do with their lives than invent conspiracy theories.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    No, theories about conspiracies exist because humans often conspire with each other. Those in government, those with power, increase that natural behavior. They conspire to do all sorts of things, especially making $ for themselves and their friends. They plan events from which they will profit.

    Then, those not in on the conspiracy advance theories as to who, how and why any given conspiracy played out.

    It is perfectly natural human behavior.

    Heck, even POTUS Bush got in on it, saying in the UN in the fall of 2001 that "Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September 11; malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists, themselves, away from the guilty."

    A rather large irony then, that his administration would offer an Official Conspiracy Theory regarding those events at WTC, an official theory that has been proved invalid many years ago. :banana:
     
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    Question: Why are there conspiracy theories? Answer: Conspiracy theorists have nothing better to do with their lives than invent conspiracy theories.

     
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    Answer: some men are immune to both logic and common sense.
     
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    and some men use lies to further their agenda ... whatever that agenda may be ... Sandy Hook thread E? ...
     
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    Question: Why are there conspiracy theories? Answer: Conspiracy theorists have nothing better to do with their lives than invent conspiracy theories.
     
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    Roger that! And most of the men using lies to further their agenda are in government.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Goodness, you are a broken record.
     
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    you work for the government E? ...
     
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    I am Vladimir Putin's right hand man!
     
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    Because there are conspiracies and there have always been conspiracies and there will always be conspiracies. In fact, most of the intelligence, legal and law enforcement industry personnel are trained in and make a living from conspiracies and conspiracy theories. There are many laws on the books that deal with conspiracies in case you're not aware. So you can add all those elected to federal and state legislatures to those who deal with conspiracies since they enacted these laws, as well as Presidents and Governors who signed these into law. If there were no conspiracies there would never be any conspiracy theories or laws that deal with these.

    See above, if you're paid to do that to maintain your career, what else would you expect? It sounds to me like you have a problem with real world facts about conspiracies.

    You're welcome for educating you on conspiracies and conspiracy theories.
     
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    'In 1967, the CIA Created the Label "Conspiracy Theorists" ... to Attack Anyone Who Challenges the "Official" Narrative ...

    Democracy and free market capitalism were founded on conspiracy theories ...

    That all changed in the 1960s.

    Specifically, in April 1967, the CIA wrote a dispatch which coined the term “conspiracy theories” … and recommended methods for discrediting such theories. The dispatch was marked “psych” – short for “psychological operations” or disinformation – and “CS” for the CIA’s “Clandestine Services” unit.

    The dispatch was produced in responses to a Freedom of Information Act request by the New York Times in 1976 ...

    In fact, conspiracies are so common that judges are trained to look at conspiracy allegations as just another legal claim to be disproven or proven based on the specific evidence ...

    The heads of Enron were found guilty of conspiracy, as was the head of Adelphia. Numerous lower-level government officials have been found guilty of conspiracy. See this, this, this, this and this.

    Time Magazine’s financial columnist Justin Fox writes:

    Some financial market conspiracies are real … Most good investigative reporters are conspiracy theorists, by the way.

    And what about the NSA and the tech companies that have cooperated with them? ...

    A common defense to people trying sidetrack investigations into potential conspiracies is to say that “someone would have spilled the beans” if there were really a conspiracy.

    But famed whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg explains:

    It is a commonplace that “you can’t keep secrets in Washington” or “in a democracy, no matter how sensitive the secret, you’re likely to read it the next day in the New York Times.” These truisms are flatly false. They are in fact cover stories, ways of flattering and misleading journalists and their readers, part of the process of keeping secrets well. Of course eventually many secrets do get out that wouldn’t in a fully totalitarian society. But the fact is that the overwhelming majority of secrets do not leak to the American public. This is true even when the information withheld is well known to an enemy and when it is clearly essential to the functioning of the congressional war power and to any democratic control of foreign policy. The reality unknown to the public and to most members of Congress and the press is that secrets that would be of the greatest import to many of them can be kept from them reliably for decades by the executive branch, even though they are known to thousands of insiders.

    History proves Ellsberg right. For example:

    • A BBC documentary shows that:
    There was “a planned coup in the USA in 1933 by a group of right-wing American businessmen . . . . The coup was aimed at toppling President Franklin D Roosevelt with the help of half-a-million war veterans. The plotters, who were alleged to involve some of the most famous families in America, (owners of Heinz, Birds Eye, Goodtea, Maxwell Hse & George Bush’s Grandfather, Prescott) believed that their country should adopt the policies of Hitler and Mussolini to beat the great depression”

    ...

    https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015...heorists-and-ways-attack-anyone-who-challenge
     
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    And what about the Iran-Contra Affair?

    If someone had blown the whistle on that before it was made public they would've been branded a conspiracy theorist! Or do you disagree?
     
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    The irony is that the CIA deals with conspiracy theories 24/7 and is an agency that is always involved in conspiracies. In this case a conspiracy to weaponize English language terminology.
     
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    this post needs it's it own thread ...
     
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    It is in the appropriate thread since the term is the subject of THIS thread and is the convolution of the CIA.
     
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    sure thing Bobby ... can you expound on the weaponization of English language terminology by the CIA? ...
    ...
     
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    It’s in this thread, put your glasses on. Read it or don’t, you are obviously not asking a serious question. Then again you rarely ever do.
     
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    And if someone had suggested that the CIA overthrew legitimately elected governments they would've also been branded a conspiracy theorist. Yet that's what has happened:

    "Sixty years after the overthrow of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh, a declassified CIA document acknowledges that the agency was involved in the 1953 coup."

    https://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/19/politics/cia-iran-1953-coup/?hpt=po_c2
     
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    That would probably exceed your abilities to comprehend.
     
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    A little simplistic but essentially true.

    Conspiracy theories exist for several reasons. For one thing there are two related motives for conspiracy theories. The first is money. Conspiracy theorists write books and make movies and documentaries and even hold conventions and tours. I read in forbes that the overall industry generates a billion dollars a year. Another related reasons is that people are hooked on this stuff and want to believe them.

    One reason for that is a feeling of satisfaction. Many people who otherwise have very boring lives and are only average or below average intelligent get a certain feeling of superiority from conspiracy theories and that is the reason conspiracy theories make money. With such theories in hand a somewhat boring below average person can feel superior. They feel like they have the inside scoop and are actually smarter than others because they can see the truth. They are loathe to give this up which is why they reject any credible or intelligent evidence which challenges or debunks their pet theories.

    You see this all the time on the conspiracy theories thread here. The so called evidence of 911 being an inside job or the JFK murder being a conspiracy is hilariously weak and idiotic yet the adherents fight like hell to defend them. Usually their arguments regress to " your a sheeple who believes the government and I am smarter because I do not ".

    Conspiracy theory is just an industry but it is based on this need some have to make themselves feel better than they are and they cling to it like a religious faith
     
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    The Mossadegh government in 1953 was by no sane definition 'legitimately elected' (the 1952 election was stopped before all the seats were counted to ensure he won & he ruled as a dictator thereafter) and the US made no secret about interfering in the affairs of nations it saw as a security threat. It would have surprised nobody who was paying attention to the very public John Foster Dulles to discover that the CIA was doing covertly what he was doing overtly. The only people who would have been throwing around terms like 'conspiracy theorist' would have been those not reading the newspapers.
     
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    According to you and government propagandists the Mossadegh government was not legitimate, but all that means is that you favor, support and embrace government propaganda. I suppose you also believe that the CIA has never been in the drug business too.

    Overthrowing unapproved but legitimate foreign governments is what the US has appointed itself to do, and that's what we're attempting again in Venezuela today.

    However, that doesn't make it right or even lawful. It is neither.
     
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