Constitutional Amendment to Require everyone who is not allergic to vaccines to get them.

Some of us believe in basic liberty. I'm pro-vaccinations. My sons got all of their required vaccinations, and would have even if there weren't a law requiring it. It's a medically sound decision. That said, I'm anti-anti-vax. I don't support the use of draconian government measures to force vaccination. If the docs and nurses (and public health departments) can't convince people to vaccinate, then they shouldn't be forced to do so. The only thing that should be done to children who haven't been vaccinated by parent choice (not for medical reasons, as not all children can safely be vaccinated) is to not allow them into public schools.

 

Well first, it's not my role as a voter to vote on things like this. Elected representatives, at the federal and state level, vote on constitutional amendments, not the people. Second, I'm 100% against perverting the constitution to limit the people in the way you want it.

 

Why is it that these vaccinations cannot be implemented in a capsule form, and simply absorbed through the digestive system?

 

Yeah, look up that quote about people who will trade liberty for safety...

 

Not all vaccines can be taken orally. Usually the vaccine is a live virus. Take for example smallpox vaccine:

1. Dip the bifurcated needle into the vaccine vial and withdraw it. The needle is designed to hold a tiny drop of vaccine of sufficient size and strength to ensure a successful vaccination (if administered correctly). DO NOT REINSERT THE NEEDLE INTO THE VACCINE VIAL once it has touched the patient’s skin or you may contaminate the vial.
2. Administer the vaccine
   • Hold the needle perpendicular to the site of insertion. Keep your wrist stable by resting it on the patient’s arm or on another firm support.
   • Hold the skin taught. Prick the skin rapidly with the needle 15 times (or the number of times specified in the vaccine package insert). Keep the needle pricks within an area approximately 5 mm in diameter. A trace of blood should appear at the vaccination site within 10 to 20 seconds.
   • Immediately after vaccinating the patient, discard the bifurcated needle in an appropriate sharps biohazard container.

Not as easy as a pill.

 

I can see many members here do not appear to be familiar with the concept of civil liberties or the right to individual choice.

 

Not an outright requirement to get vaccinated. That would violate peoples' right to choose, but I would support limiting the travel, education, and medical-welfare access to those who are not vaccinated. They should have the right to choose not to get vaccinated, and even to not have their kids vaccinated, but they shouldn't be allowed to then travel on public transportation and send their kids to public schools spreading diseases. And they shouldn't get to use medicaid, and other medical-based welfare and have the American taxpayers cover the costs of illness which could have been prevented if they had been vaccinated.

 

I am not sure how it can be determined if you are allergic to vaccine. Just as it is to determine if you are allergic to any drug. But it was required for years that children be vacinated. With the influx of in people to our Country, it is evident that old diseases are resurfacing. Those that avoid vaccination are exposing us to disease.

 

I think if it prevents the return of the iron lung the loss of the right to be stupid is justified

 

Because the vaccines active ingredient in most cases is a protein, and proteins get digested by the digestive system. Live viruses (like the oral polio vaccine) can be given through the digestive system. Most vaccines don't have live viruses.

 

Well, the smallpox vaccine is one of the most complicated. Having been present for my own sons' vaccines, all were a simple shot. Almost nobody gets the smallpox vaccine anymore.

 

Well, your child's pediatrician should be aware of the allergies of his/her patient. They should also know the ingredients of the vaccine. It's pretty simple. Egg and gelatin allergies are the ones most commonly associated with vaccines.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3890451/

 

Well the score is 30 against, and 6 in favor, so you lose.

 

Polio is not one of the diseases that is having outbreaks. It's almost an extinct disease, thankfully. There were only 33 cases worldwide in 2018.
https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/poliomyelitis

 

You think calling people stupid is going to make them change their minds? That's 3rd grade playground taunting.

 

Humanity is over-medicated now. We are one mutation away from a serious epidemic. Unvaccinated persons are going to be the only ones with strong enough natural immune systems to counter such a thing...

 

Vaccinated people have the stronger immune systems. Vaccination works by stimulating the immune system. Actually people who catch the disease (specifically measles) have weaker immune systems (i.e. get sick more often) for two years after the disease, in comparison to those who have had the vaccination.

 

That's measles, which is very rarely fatal. Not everyone who isn't vaccinated is going to have strong immune systems, but then again, not everyone who is vaccinated has a stronger immune system either. That's really not much to go on. None of which really went to what I was saying. Unmedicated naturally strong immune systems are going to be required to survive the constant mutations of fatal viruses. We have been lucky, nothing more.

 

You apparently don't understand how common death from disease was pre-medicine. The vast majority of the worlds population died in childhood. People had 7 children and could expect 2 to survive.

 

Do you realize what happens when we can't fight diseases because we medicated ourselves out of a cure? We all die. I didn't say don't work on treatments and cures, but reducing our dependency on medication will be essential because viruses and whatnot don't really care, and will keep mutating until they do kill us all...

 

Vaccines are not a drug, they are a copy of the bug that is dead or weaker than the real thing that creates anti bodies to fight the bugs. They will do no harm

 

I'm aware of that, but look at things like the flu shot, the flu changes so rapidly and has so many different strains the flu shot is only effective some of the time, other times its a hinderance because the body is fighting the wrong strain and is more susceptible to a more vicious strain. Look beyond the petty social issues, look at the long term human species survival, and that requires some of what got us here, strong natural immune systems. If we over medicate the wrong bug could wipe out the whole race, that is what we need to avoid. You are missing the bigger long term picture...

 

You missed my point. Measles is rarely fatal. However, after catching measles, kids are more likely to die from other diseases for the next two years. Measles WEAKENS the immune system for a period of about two years--numerous studies have shown this. Vaccination does not produce weakened immune systems, but stronger ones, by exposing you to a weak version of the virus. Now, if you're talking other medications, I don't know. I just know that my readings show that vaccination produces stronger immune systems, not weaker ones.

 

There is no evidence that getting the flu vaccine makes you more susceptible to different strains of the flu. How do you make this crap up?

 

Yes. Look at Prevnar, vaccine developed to protect against pneumonia in children. Along with the overuse of antibiotics, is was having the unfortunate effect of promoting new superbugs that cause ear infections that are resistant to all antibiotic drugs approved for children.

A study published in the New England Journal of Medicine by Oregon Health & Science University, researchers suggests that timelines for vaccinating and revaccinating Americans against disease should possibly be reevaluated and adjusted. "Surprisingly, we found that immunity following vaccination with tetanus and diphtheria was much more long-lived than anyone realized, and that antibody responses following viral infections were essentially maintained for life," stated lead author Dr. Mark Slifk.
https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-11/ohs-ors110607.php

There was a study done on vaccines for pets. They had a name for it, "vaccinosis". "Vaccinosis is the reaction from common inoculations (vaccines)...These reactions might take months or years to show up and will cause undue harm to future generations. In a general and frightening context, I see the overall health and longevity of animals deteriorating. The bodies of most animals have a tremendous capacity to detoxify poisons, but they do have a limit." These statements bare a striking resemblance to what parents of children suffering from autism and other neurodevelopmental disorders have been claiming.

Every time a new vaccine was developed, it quickly found its way onto the immunization schedule along with the recommended booster shots. We are now reaping the unintended consequences of the overuse of these medical interventions. Perhaps instead of being healthier, we have a nation of sick children.