Dawkins, Scientific Atheism is a Fallacy & Intellectually Dishonest?

I would find it depressing mainly for the fact that if our lives here truly end, there would be no chance for continuity of existence, no way to continually experience pleasant things, and no hope for the chance of getting what I truly want. I can accept reality. Though I feel no obligation to like it. Though closest way to describe my views in general would be Agnostic. I believe in the possibility of the what is considered the supernatural. I merely don't see the existence of a God or gods, as inherently a positive. This might seem strange, but I tend to see religious world views as bringing a dark existential climate of their own. However in a very different way from the Atheists. Atheism presents a bleak end. But I know any sane person would rather cease to exist than suffer for eternity after death. Religions tend to propose the idea that humans are merely subordinate to something else. Sometimes going so far as to say we are absolutely inferior. To me that is far more freightening than the Atheist view of humans simply being another animal. At least if that is the case, human beings are the dominant species.

I'm sure that many Atheists are comfortable with the idea of their lives ending though. In a lot of ways that makes them fortunate.

Interesting quote. Thank you usfan. Though what do you mean the "nagging feeling" of something more ruining a good time?

 

LOL! Are you kidding? Ever been to one of Dawkin's seminars? It is a sausage fest. Nothing but nerdy guys who cannot get laid.

 

The 'sheeple' in your deluded CTs no doubt.

 

Yup, which has nothing to do with nothing.

 

Sure it does. What does this say about atheism?

 

ROFL. Well, Mr. Logic, since you know nothing about me, you have no idea of my successes, dreams or anything else so your comment is pure braggadocio. Not only amusing, but psychologically illuminating.

Second, a person can claim to be both heterosexual and homosexual, but it just makes them look weird. Same goes for atheist and agnostic. Sure, the main difference is between belief and knowledge. If they believe there is or isn't a God(s), then admit they don't/can't know for sure that technically makes them agnostic but since no one can know for certain either, only nutjobs claim they do.

 

Agreed. Usually they mature and outgrow it....but not all.

Many atheists crow about "religion dying", but they are fooling themselves. Dogmatic religions are, indeed, losing members but that doesn't mean people are becoming atheists. They are seeking spiritual fulfillment through other means.

 

Exactly. Humans are spiritual beings. There will always be a need to reconcile that. Atheism seems to be based on not believing what others believe. It is all Preparation with no H.

Atheism is not a popular worldview. The most vocal atheists seem to preach hate and relish ridiculing others. That is a big turn off.

 

I would say 'disconcerting'.. but that applies to anyone, whether they be theists or atheists. I like this quote, which is currently in my sig line:

“Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.” ~Arthur C. Clarke

Human existence is not for the faint-hearted. We did not ask to be born, but here we are. We are driven through angst filled mental sessions, & left in hopelessness & despair. We may believe in a hopeful future, but we don't really know. Life is mysterious, short, & confusing.. then you die.

Some existentialist philosophers have laid it bare, to expose the raw truth about our existence. It may not be comfortable, but why should we take comfort in lies or fantasies? We should face reality, & live in it, rather than create a cheap substitute for it in our own minds.

So the Big Question remains: Is life just a cosmic accident, & theistic beliefs an invention to avoid the hard reality of a meaningless existence?

Or, is atheism just wishful thinking, to avoid accountability to a Creator, who made them?

..pretty serious question, it seems to me. ..with eternal consequences, possibly. This is not the place to rely on guess work, or take the word of someone else. I am reminded of the words of Martin Luther, the reformer:

 

Nothing. It says more about your need for authority figures to support a position. You are truly a product of patriarchal politicised religion.

 

And yet, we observe in your post and others how the deluded have a seething irrational hatred of atheists.

 

My problem with the 'New Internet Atheists' is not their beliefs, but their bigotry. I would be completely happy to live & let live, and everyone accept each other's belief systems. But the NIA's won't do that. They mock, belittle, & disparage other people's beliefs, promoting their own as 'settled science!' or some other absurd narrative.

And, if there are any examples of 'seething, irrational hatred!', that is much more visible from the militant atheists here. Sure, you get some return fire, now & them but only because of the heightened disrespect & ridicule for the belief system that you show such disdain for. It is very hypocritical to complain about return fire, or 'seething, irrational hatred', when that seems to be more of a projection, than any 'vicious attacks!' on the poor, misunderstood, peaceful, loving atheists, here...

 

Religion is dying in the US. That is a fact. And Dawkins doesn't represent Athiests any more than Jim Bakker represents theists.

 

You appear to be making the assumption that spiritual fulfillment equates to religion. I don't believe you can defend thst assumption.

 

nah we only point out their flawed philosophy, and they paint that as hatred, SSDD

 

but religion is not dying, anywhere in the world.

 

The problem is that they have such a twisted philosophy its hard for people not to take pot shots at them for their foolishness.

They refuse to educate themselves even when smart atheists tell them they are wrong, when people 'lack intellect' its very often replaced by bigotry, its a defense mechanism since they have no other.

 

it breeds sanctioned delusion.

 

How so? Is it because I have an opinion?

 

Perhaps you are have angry voices in your head reading posts you do not like but I do not hate atheists. Especially the ones that mind their own bees wax. It just seems there is much hate and bigotry coming from atheism.

 

Hahaha! Why is it a fact because you say so? There has always been popular and less popular times for religion as with many things.

 

Can you blame them? Atheists have always been the minority and had to put up with theists claiming they are going to burn in hell. Throughout history, theists have been tortured and killed. They have lost their jobs and to this day, no atheist has been president. Theists are always trying to push their beliefs into our laws and science but cry like babies because someone said "Happy Holidays".

 

Sure you can blame them. What makes them do what the hell fire and brimstone true believers do? If they detest such behavior, why repeat it, and follow their lead. Why not take the moral high ground? For after all, atheists like Sam Harris, claim religion is not needed for morality.

We may have had atheist presidents. We may have one now for all we know. But in a nation founded by men who most believed in a higher power, it has not been agreeable to atheists and high office. But we have had presidents who could have faked being a christian, and probably have had at least one atheist. Perhaps as times goes on and notable atheists prove to other americans that they are not only moral men of honesty and integrity, but exceed in those areas over people who claim to be religious? And looking at DC, if we have religious men running this nation, heaven help us, for they appear to be satanic.

Truth is, it would also be very difficult for an agnostic to be elected to high office as well. We still equate honesty, integrity and moral values to religious people. And yet no doubt this is an illustration of how we mentally live in two realities. An ideal, which we vote from, and then reality as proved by actions, which we ignore. Like, dems vote for dems, because as an ideal these people will represent us in DC, but in the truth of reality, they will not represent their voters, unless that voter is a special interest or an elite. So most of us are bipolar. And it is this that perceives the religious as being more honest and moral than a atheist or agnostic.

 

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  No it is a fact because the data says so. Now you are welcome to hope that religion will regain it's former popularity but I suspect your hope is in vain.

This will give you all the facts you need:

http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/belief-in-god/

 

Where did you come up with this " New Internet Athiest" nonsense and what separates their philosophy from other Athiests

And you should avoid using bigotry in your second sentence while illustrating it in your first sentence..