Define Woke in a way that does not apply to the political right.

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  1. robini123

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    Define Woke in a way that does not apply to the political right.

    The dictionary definitions I see define woke in a way that is not limited to the left. It accentuates social justice, but as I spent most of my life as a conservative in Idaho I have seen no shortage of SJW’s on the right since the 1980’s. Frankly I do not know why anyone would be against social justice on either side of the political coin. Seems to me that petty biases and skewed tribalistic perspectives are the real culprit which exists in spades on both sides of the coin.
     
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    not asleep
     
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    Not comatose.
     
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    Maybe this might help; woke is shortcode for the Golden Rule, you know, that thing about doing unto others as you would have them do unto you. Apparently, it has fallen out of fashion with some religious folks.
     
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    Broke just basically means that you are fully compliant with all of the PC terminology and modes of thought that is required for a leftist to follow
     
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    That's pretty funny because so many people who profess to be woke are the last ones who actually follow that code.

    Most all of the BLM rioters classify themselves as "woke".
     
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    Oh yeah there's sjws on the right and I would say that's where they were born. I grew up in the 90s where there were all these Bright Wing typically religious types telling us how our music is demonic how a video games will make us violent and so forth really what I see is that's just shifted over to the left minus the religious side of it but not really. It's really just minus the church because they have a belief system and they have some beliefs that they can't support or know why they have.

    I think it really starts out at is driving the culture in his being driven by the culture. It seems right now there's a shift. In there still are quite a few of them on the right.
     
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    Seems to me that in all fairness that the same applies to the right. Like I eluded to in the OP I have seen the right do what they lambaste the left for doing for decades now. PC exists on both sides of the political coin. We just like to call it something more flattering when it comes to our tribe. Human nature is systemic my friend.
     
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    The fundamental difference between left and right is their approach to the social structure.
    The goal of Left wing liberals is to destroy society and replace it with something no one knows about. Right wing conservatives despite their mistakes want to preserve an improve civilization.
     
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    Each side sees the other as the one trying to destroy society. I place blame on both as both do the same crap. The deeper problem is how tribalistic loyalty biases thus giving each a skewed and often unrealistic view of the other. Both are a huge part of the problem and both largely blame the other.
     
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    That sounds almost Biblical. In a sense Jesus was a 'social justice warrior', while the Pharisees wanted to preserve the 'old way'. They called new message (the Gospel) blasphemy, and made it sound like it was a threat and evil, which would destroy society and replace it with something new. This justified them to take action against Jesus and they had him killed.

    The word 'woke' meant to promote social justice, but now it has been prevented to mean everything the populist RW doesn't like, which is why people like DeSantis says "this is where woke comes to die". 'Woke' is the new threat, which people must be rescued from, and the GOP is the knight in shiny armor who will fight for us. At least commie and muslim threat was somewhat credible, but to pretend 'woke' is the greatest evil ever is just silly.

    So, when real enemies do not exist, we have to invent one, and 'woke' is it. LOL
     
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    ahh I see lots of sweet, sweet denial in here. Let me remind ya'll how dangerous this woke crapola really is:

    • Race-Based Silencing – Telling a white person they don’t have the right to speak because they’re an oppressor.
    • Cancel CultureCanceling a college speaker because they have controversial views on power and race.
    • Affirmative Action – An under-qualified woman gets a job ahead of an over-qualified man because a company wants to meet a 50% female employee quota.
    • Critical Race Theory – A school’s history curriculum teaches a ‘white oppressor’ narrative in their classrooms, which makes young white children feel like they’ve done something wrong.
    • Canada’s Bill C-16 – A bill that forces people to use trans people’s preferred pronouns, and if they don’t, then they’re in violation of the human rights code.
    • Day of Absence – A college asks white students to stay home for one day per year to discuss and think about their privilege.
    • Social Media Shadow Banning – Social media networks that (supposedly) ban people for not having socially progressive viewpoints.
    • Pride Jerseys – Conservative Christian football players are asked to wear pink pride jerseys on the football field in support of LGBT values, against their religious views.
    • Gender Pluralism – People saying there are over 70 genders and that if you disagree, you’re a horrible person.
     
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    Christian values are something that modern Western society has been built on.
    One of the current fundamental principle of Christianity and US. Constitution is equal rights. Everyone is equal under the God.
    Left wing Woke crowd advocate something tottally opposite, namely uncontitutional special rights and priviliges.
    It is very concerning leftists people do not see the difference.
     
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    Sorry but it is kind of delusional, not to see the difference between grop promoting equal rights (conservatives) and the group promoting special priviliges (leftist liberals).
     
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    Jesus did not preach equal rights when it came to entering His kingdom. Some enter, and many don't. And yet at the same time, he said he did not come for the righteous, but for the sinner. We hear a lot about how we must protect the righteous white, straight Christian male, but that is not what Jesus preached. He was very clear about including everyone, even the prostitutes, and He would not have promoted the "drive the gay back in the closet" agenda, which is becoming the GOP platform for 2024. That was the Pharisee agenda at the time, because they used their authority to point out people sins and judge, even punish, people, and Jesus had some harsh words for them. The GOP is quickly becoming the party of the Pharisee, and its not a good look. Attacking the trans folks, who are only 0.6% of the population is not a good look either, and if you listen to the people who voted in the mid-terms, they are also saying its not a good look.
     
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    I don't believe I have ever, in my life, ever heard a conservative use the term tribalistic... I am throwing the BS card on this one.
     
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    required to follow? by who? i am required to respect others by my upbringinf and by my catholic education. no one forces me to be nice.
     
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    Yes, that was a right doctrine. Anyone has equal rights, everyone is sinner and everyone is hero.
    But the problem is that some people do not understand how equal rights were converted to special priviliges by the leftist groups.
    Leftists promote special priviliges, and hate.
    I really do not understan how civilization can be built on hate.
    Transgenders have nothing to do with the government they should not have special priviliges.
     
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    It would be nice as OP for YOU to define the term.
     
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    The only acceptable answer here.
     
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    Easy to be critical of groups we dislike. Difficult to see how our preferred group does some of the same things. For example cancel culture is practiced by both sides. In fact it is an innate aspect of human nature tied directly to our tribalistic tendencies. The left can see it in the right, the right can see it in the left, I can see it in both yet we all suck at seeing it in ourselves and our in-group. Human nature makes us all predictable as human nature is systemic.
     
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    I don’t see either side as being proponents of equal rights. Too many on each side looking to dominate the other as opposed to work together for the betterment of society. There are moderates on each side that may be the exception but based upon Pew Research and Gallup polls I tend to trust America is becoming more divided by the day.
     
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    The delusion is in think either promote equal rights. Political loyalty biases and gives partisans a skewed perspective. Human nature is systemic. Thinking one side is exempt is to be ignorant of human nature. Those with no loyalty to either side can see the moral and ethical corruption of both.
     
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    I am not a conservative today. Today I am a moderate independent. That is why I said for most of my life I was conservative as opposed to saying my whole life. I hope you are not so tribal that you only value the opinions of those on your team. I firmly believe that we need to spend more time talking to those that we may disagree with and honestly look for where they are right and we are wrong. The more I looked at the right the more I saw it shares disturbing aspects of the left. The more I examine human nature the more I see it in self and others.

    America’s problem is not the left or the right, it is the left, the right and the center. It is human nature which is systemic.
     
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    I have no definition and when I ask others the answers are subjective. I can tell you what I think woke is. It is human nature thus systemic. The way I see it applied is as a pejorative that is used in an ironic way. If woke is being blind but sure we can see clearly then we are all woke to levels we can never be fully aware of.
     
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