Democrats are making a mockery of impeachment

Democrats are making a mockery of impeachment

The author of the article is not wrong. Democrats are making a mockery of the 25th Amendment and Impeachment. The author even admits that Trump did not incite the riot that happened and shows the words that he used that shows this. And have attempted a coup by trying to get Pence to use the 25th even though the Amendment explicitly is for when a President is incapacitated. And she's not wrong in that it is quite evident that Dems have been doing all they can to get Trump removed since before he was inaugurated. And this is definitely showing people that Dems don't want unity. They want revenge.

 

Trump is making a mockery of the Presidency, if Trump should not be impeached for this, then when is the time to impeach

this impeachment is bipartisan, both sides want to send a msg to future Presidents that this will not be tolerated

 

Did you bother to read the article?

 

Dirty Donald's speech along with that of Don Jr. and Rudy and Mo Brooks certainly did nothing to calm the hotheads down. His repetitive lies, ever since he got beaten in the election, were all intended to keep his supporters at a high fever pitch.

 

Political Kabuki theater performed by the Democrats for the benefit of their low information base, Trump will be long gone before it could be brought before the Senate, DUH!!! Real sharp bunch of pencils set to run the country.

 

Why should any one read an article that's not true written by an unknown person? Have you ever bothered to check the facts or do you just grasp the first whack-o article that agrees with your thinking? If I believed the world was flat I'll bet I could find an article that would prove I'm right. Get a life for god's sake.

 

Its really not for him to "admit".

Either Trump incited the violence, or he did not, and it seems there are plenty of people on the Republican side who agree that he did.

 

1: Doesn't matter if the person is known or unknown. Facts are facts whether they come from Joe Schmoe down the street or from someone well known. All that you're doing is trying to shoot the messenger. You couldn't use the excuse that this was a Trump supporter because its obvious that the person doesn't like Trump. You couldn't use the excuse that this was from some right wing website because its from NBC. So you attack the messenger as someone being "unknown".

2: The article even gave the words that shows that Trump did not incite a riot in the speech that is cited as being the cause of it. You can't get past the fact that Trump used words which clearly indicate that he was talking about a peaceful protest, not a riot. And you question if I fact checked things? When you ignore this fact? Pfft.

 

And the author of the article clearly shows that Trump did not.

It doesn't matter who agrees or who disagrees. The fact is Trump used words which clearly indicate that he was talking about protesting peacefully. That he was not out to start a riot. These are Trumps exact words...

"Cheer on", "Peacefully", "Patriotically make your voices heard". Each and every one of those words are in line with the 1st Amendment and show NO, I repeat, NO indication of incitement to riot. They are in fact the EXACT OPPOSITE of what any sane person would claim as being used to incite a riot.

Politicians will politic. Look at the facts for yourself instead of listening to them. You have Trumps words. If you believe that he incited the riot then prove it. Show Trumps exact words that show he wanted a riot. Do not use talking points. Use his exact words, all of them.

 

What is most surprising is that NBC published and article containing some objective truth and reason in a time of widespread propaganda from the Left State Media conglomerate.

Of course, another impeachment is a waste of time and resources. If Biden had the brain cells to be a unifier, he would request that Nancy stop the impeachment push and let Congress focus their time and energy on confirming his cabinet nominees. They can't do both at the same time. Emotion is overriding common sense.

 

Did you actually hear what he said? Pfft, my ass. If you actually heard everything he said you need to work on your cognitive skills. Maybe you should call that article to the attention of Congress and they will forget thinking that trump should be impeached. Good god man, you and the trumpers came in last. Get over it.

 

And yet you can't use his exact words to prove your case. Yet I can use his exact words to prove my case.

Btw, I admitted quite awhile ago that Biden won. I'm not like leftists who still can't get over the fact that Trump won in 2016 and are doing everything they can, STILL, to get him out of office even though they already won the election and there are only 9 days until Trump is out of office. I'm not the one that needs to get over anything.

 

Thanks for sharing your take on it.

Trump has been riling up his loyalists since he lost the elections, and last Wed was the end result of it, and it seems they are just getting started because the FBI, and even the military is warning against armed uprisings in every State.

 

that is ok, what else we got to do, the Senate plans not to be in session anyways

this needs to be done to send a message to future Presidents, or they will just say, Trump did it and got away with it, so it must be ok to do

 

what did you want me to read, quote it

any reply to my post?

 

Yeah, it appears trump must have pissed off a lot of people including Republicans. They must have interpreted his words he said differently than you did.

 

No. The author is wrong.

First, the obvious, ridiculous timing argument.

At first the defense was, "they're trying to overturn an election". Then, "an election is coming up, let the voters decide". Now, "the election is over, it's too late". If your argument is always predicated on the timing of the impeachment, then you may as well just remove it from the constitution. It is the only remedy Congress is given for a rogue president.

Second, on incitement,

Helped create is an understatement. Had Trump conceded the election, instead of pushing "stop the steal", there would have been no riot. The country would have been able to move on from the election. Instead, he persisted with this ludicrous rigged election hoax, which he campaigned on well ahead of any actual counting of ballots. Some select quotes from the rally on Jan 6th:

So sure. He didn't use the exact words "go attack the capital". But he most certainly pushed the narrative that those people in the capital stole from you. They took this election from you. You were robbed. And you can't let that happen. You can't let them get away with it. Democracy is at stake unless we win here today. And you have to play by different rules when there's fraud involved.

So when Mike Pence announced he wasn't going to be going along with the farce, is any wonder that you hear the mob yelling "hang Mike Pence"?? The mob was there for one very clear, overriding reason.

The president claimed there would be massive fraud before the election. After he loses said election, he continues to push his fraud narrative. Confidence across political spectrum in the fairness of the election does this:



He then specifically invites his followers weeks in advance to a rally on Jan 6th at the Capital to protest the certification of the election and to further push his rigged election BS. He and his acolytes spend 3 1/2 hours working the crowd about how vile the opposition is, how their country is being stolen, how wickedly they stole the election, and how democracy is at stake. And then the mob, irate about the stolen election hoax, attacks the capital shortly thereafter.

And you're telling us that's not incitement?

Don't insult our intelligence.

Republicans in Congress must finally hold this man accountable for his reckless behavior that endangered an entire branch of government. They must put country at last over their own selfish careers. Their own lives were nearly snuffed out by that very mob. If they choose not, they will show once and for all that one man truly is above the law.

 

traitor trump has incited riots since he plopped into the Oval Office, this was yet the latest and greatest but not last

 

Trump shouldn't just be impeached he should be indicted, tried, convicted and incarcerated. Enough is enough.

 

Enough of what?
You don't even know what you actually hate about him.

Most of what I've heard are stupid excuses. What is this really about?

 

Racism and ethnicism

Trump wants an America where ONLY the Western Europeans are treated well. The others, the Hispanics and the Eastern European untermensch will be barely tolerated, the blacks hardly above slaves and anyone else probably not permitted at all.

That was his final vision, it was a plan to be implemented over the next few decades, not right away. And in the meantime, his economic policies turn us into a third world shithole worse than any in the world, all for the benefit of him and his immediate circle.

The ultimate Republican kleptocracy. The world's greatest nation ending in an orgy of xenophobia and racist inspired crony capitalism on a grand scale. No wonder he liked Putin so much. America the Oligarchy.

 

guess there's a reason they use an ass as their symbol then

 

I read the transcript of the speech - looking for "Incitement to Riot" It is a rather long speech - standard Trump Speech for the most part ..

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/1/11/full-transcript-donald-trump-january-6-incendiary-speech

Not exactly cut and dry - not nearly as much as I would have thought ... having difficulty claiming defacto that the Rule of Law principle is being upheld - "One person not to be punished for the actions of another"

On the other side - combined with "Take back the Country" - "They Cheated to win" - and so on .. OK .. we can claim that he crossed "The Line" but is this not typical of Trump Speeches in general.

but - we are not talking about those other lines .. we are talking about this particular line .. we will call it "The Sedition Line"

Has Trump made a Mockery of the Presidency - Sure - I will give you that - but, he walked into a mockery .. The question here however is not Stormy Daniels - nor Russiagate - This is a question of Sedition

Obama was a Mockery - perhaps in ways worse than Trump - nary 10 years after 911 and subsequent war on Al Qaeda (terror) .. Obama decides it is a good idea to use Al Qaeda as a proxy army - leads a large coalition of nations to arm, support and supply this army -

For the better part of the last decade - we are allied with Al Qaeda in not one but two wars .. our pet proxy army - arm in arm with Brother El Saud - and Israel in a very strange but unholy Trinity.

but this !! - Trump telling some supporters to walk down to Pen Ave . "and give the weak Republicans the pride and support they need to take back the Country ."

.Sedition - " conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch"

The above definition is way way broad - so much so that to claim Trump guilty of Sedition is meaningless.

So we have to move to "Incitement to Riot" ..

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021...ncited-capitol-riot-is-in-eye-of-the-beholder

So make your case - that Trump Should be impeached - but from a legal, and not a Political Perspective = "I don't like Trump" doesn't count.

 

I see you excuse his behavior. Its not big deal. The dems should definitely just forget the past four years of trump's divisive grievance governance and listen to the serious republican patriots who have only ever wanted to serve the american people and make american great again, so America can unite.

Trump incited an insurrection and if that isn't impeachable nothing a president does is.
Trump thru his unprecedented actions and utter failure to commit to the peaceful legal transfer of power and his deranged weaponization of a wild arsed election fraud fraud demonstrates the man is UNFIT to govern.

Revenge? I think true patriotic americans will settle for justice.

OTOH, I will delight in the insurrectionists feeling the full weight of America exerted under Trump's Monuments EO. Sweet irony.

 

And yet Trump keeps loudly and vehemently repeating the same big fat lie over and over and over (that he overwhelming won the election in a landslide) to his crazed base and so do his toadies (ex: Theodore Cruz) with an angry, vengeful, pitch to it. No, Kal'Stang, it is NOT the Democrats who are making a, "mockery," or who are after, "revenge." That would be Trump. The Democrats won EVERYTHING: the House, the Senate, and the White House for a very good reason and they have no need for a petty emotion like, "revenge," to rule their behavior. It is Trump, whom your article and you define at the very least as looking like a, "sore loser," who is after revenge. The Democrats are simply doing their best toward formalizing all this in memorial so that, hopefully, it will never happen again. Time for Trump to finally own up to his miserable charade.