Democrats Block GOP Bill That Would Restart Keystone XL, Federal Oil Lease Program

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  1. fullmetaljack

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    It only took Russia 1 weekend to screw up their relations with the west. In one weekend the entire EU (and the Swiss !) are now solidly against Russia.
    Putin is making it very easy for Biden. Whatever screw ups you care to name regarding the US and Ukraine vs Russia, they have all been wiped away by Putin's war.
    Especially his war on Ukrainian civilians.
     
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    You'd get more money by taxing every penny of excess profit that Amazon and other BIG companies.
     
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    Define “excess profit”.

    Or propose a level and rate.
     
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    It's a small price to pay in order to further democracy. People should just conserve their gas by not using their cars as much as they normally do but walking or using a bicycle then possible. They'll benefit by saving on fuel used and health wise as well.
     
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    I don't know if you're American, but I'm really sick and tired of moron politicians in America paying more attention to some backwater country's borders (Ukraine's) than America's borders. But then again, that's what happens when special interests (and not the interests of the American people) are put into motion in American government and, for example, the interests of Ukraine's borders are placed above America's borders.

    No matter their political affiliation right now, American politicians are morons...All of them.
     
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    The oil blocked is NOT oil that will be used for fueling your cars, in fact it is almost entirely oil that would be exported. This is a very false premise, virtually none of it is for gassing your car up if any at all. The original post is based on lies pure and simple.
     
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    You wouldn't happen to have a link, that I could use for an argument I'm having, in another thread, would you?
     
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    This bill really was just grandstanding. The company said they will never restart the project after Biden ended it. But I get the point, republicans are saying they will allow energy while democrats are saying we will only all green energy. So I think the grandstanding is a necessary message.
     
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    What this vote did was hand the GOP a very convincing political attack ad as to the cause of rising gas prices and inflation in general. When those non-affiliated voters, swing voters, independents who are paying 4.50 to 5.00 or more for a gallon of gas see that ad, they’ll probably be convinced that rising gas prices and other items such as the cost of food, housing etc. is the Democrats fault. Remember most independents aren’t political junkies, most will probably vote in relation to their thickening or thinning wallet. They pay little to no attention to the daily grind of politics until an election nears. This vote is a PR win for the GOP. Although the Keystone pipeline means little to nothing as to the cause of rising gas prices. This vote does help the GOP chances come the November midterms.


    You’ll see this ad played out time and time again when the midterm election nears. I don’t see how the Democrats can counter it. Even the name of the defeated act will have renascence, “The American Energy Independence from Russia Act.” It will help the GOP convince some of these non-affiliated, less to non-partisan swing voters that the Democrats are against energy independence. Watch and see.
     
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    The truth is, there are few who will admit it, but in their heart of hearts, progressives WANT higher fuel prices. And, they don’t care who it hurts.
     
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    It is true that shutting down the Keystone pipeline has no direct effect on the rising energy prices we are seeing today.

    But it is one of many steps the Democrats and the Biden administration have taken that signal their hostility to our domestic energy production.

    Because oil companies have no choice but to look at the long term when making investments in new production, those signals, increased regulatory hurdles, increased taxes and fees, restrictions from certain waters and land, and the appointment of cabinet heads who are openly hostile to the oil industry disincentivize them from exploration and making the financial investments that are necessary to produce from new sources.

    So yes, the Keystone pipeline will make a nice symbol for the Republicans to bash the Democrats with. But the Republicans will rightly be able to say that the cancellation of the Keystone pipeline is just one very visible example of what amounts to a Party that is anti energy, anti independence, in favor of dependency on imports, and in favor of higher prices.

    Side note: I will grant that our politicians are not dumb. They are too politically clever and manipulative to be actual morons. That does not stop them from doing moronic things, however. Common sense tells us that we CAN have lower energy costs and energy independence WHILE concurrently building towards greener energy production and use. We need to be smart about it instead of being dumb about it. Every day Americans understand that concept.
     
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    Very succinct, yet eloquently said, if only those refuse to understand "profit margin" would check out the entire picture expressed by mega fossil fuel conglomerates.
    Yet, are most of those complaining about "cost" of fuel, scream the loudest about keeping the "government" out of their lives.
    Seems quite hypocritical now, they come running to the government to intervene in oil "profits."
    Before you start your yelling about stopping drilling on "public" land, tell the oil conglomerates to pay the money they need to private land owners, and leave public land alone.

     
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    Manchin: Why are we beating up an industry that wants American energy independence?
    A Sensible Democrat voice in a howling wind of Degrowthers.
     
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    Do you find THESE "sensible Republican voices" in a howling wind of rare bi-partisanship??

    SNIP
    The House on Thursday passed a bill to end normal trade relations with Russia and Belarus as the U.S. and its allies tighten the economic vice on the Kremlin.

    Lawmakers voted 424 to 8 in favor of legislation to raise tariffs on goods from Russia and Belarus and give President Biden power to impose even stricter import taxes on their exports amid the ongoing invasion of Ukraine. The eight lawmakers who voted against the bill are all Republicans.

    Here are the eight Republicans who voted against the bill on Thursday:

    • Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia
    • Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida
    • Rep. Lauren Boebert of Colorado
    • Rep. Thomas Massie of Kentucky
    • Rep. Andy Biggs of Arizona
    • Rep. Dan Bishop of North Carolina
    • Rep. Glenn Grothman of Wisconsin
    • Rep. Chip Roy of Texas
    ENDSNIP

    https://thehill.com/policy/finance/...nd-normal-trade-relations-with-russia-belarus

    A = No

    Same old shitty useless nutjobs here (plus one I've never heard of)
     
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    I hope the democrats are stocking up on butthurt cream, because the midterms are coming soon.
     
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    My hope is that they can get the message to you that ALL of the oil from the Canadian pipeline is slated for export not for US consumption.
    My hope is that they can get the message to you that oil companies, despite being enormously profitable, receive more money from the US government in the form of assistance than all renewables receive combined.
    My hope is that people pay attention to their pockets and not the oil companies'.

    If the oil companies stopped getting the freebies and those freebies were directed to renewables the oil companies would invest heavily in renewables and speed up the conversion.
     
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    You need to learn how to read, my position has been the same period. The reason being because it's a fact. The wells are pumping and being shipped to Texas mainly by buffet's railroad and 18 wheelers producing tons of emissions. The pipeline would have very very little emissions and like most good democrats you never ever look into the details. Lefties are literally creating a larger carbon footprint to have your green circle jerk to stop a pipeline. Same with American oil, lefties desire to stop America from producing is making the world more dirty by using foreign oil that has little environmental regulations. The Green circle jerk crew thinks if America doesn't pump it, then it's means less oil is used. How f'ing stupid can a group be.
     
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    You need to learn how to process information and think critically. I can't offer advice on that other than to expand your sources of information. As for the rest of your post, seems like a rant about some grievance?
     
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    The Left is infected with Degrowthers. Their energy policies are intended to limit economic growth, and they do.

    Joe Biden's 'Transition Away From The Oil Industry' Is Strangling America's Economy
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    "The Biden administration went straight to work dismantling the future of our oil and gas refining capacity..."

    To them, that's a feature not a bug.

    "all of this started in October of 2020. Back then, Trump and Biden were going head to head in debates leading up to the November election. Biden famously stated “I would transition away from the oil industry.”

    "That statement was a clear signal to energy producers in this country that Biden’s eventual ascent to the presidency would bring unprecedented uncertainty for at least the next four years. The Biden administration went straight to work attacking the future of our oil and gas refining capacity. His statement in October of 2020 made it clear that his administration would use the massive increase in government control precipitated by the pandemic to massively curtail energy production." And he did.

    Under Biden, in mid-2021 as the ill fated 3rd tranche of hot money was poured into COVID hit economy trying to emerge from lockdown, Biden and Democrats foolishly lit the raging fires of destructive inflation. "Prices of staple goods began to skyrocket. The most recent report shows that, compared to this time last year, food and beverage prices rose 7.6%, durable goods prices (such as appliances and cars) rose 18.7%, and overall energy prices rose 25.6%. "

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    Before the pandemic, Trump grew the U.S. economy by an average of 2.6%/year.

    Biden made 5.7% in 2021...

    +120%....
     
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    this Canadian oil already exists in the world supply, the pipeline will not lower prices as prices are set globally

    the US is exporting oil now, if you think more oil in the US will reduce prices, let's ban exports until prices come down
     
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    Trump wanted prices higher, now we got it, thanks Trump, he was right, this is GREAT for the oil and gas industry, course it SUCKS for consumers

    Trump lowered supply during Covid, now that demand is picking up, supply is not there

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    midterms are almost always bad for the sitting Presidents party, how did Trump do during his?

    the only thing that could change that is Trump getting involved and getting the dem vote out
     
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    Biden blew the COVID exit. Instead of allowing economic growth to reignite, Biden and Democrats lit the destructive fires of inflation.

    2021 Real GDP was only 2% higher than 2019. Inflation though, was up over 8%. Dems are deeply infected with Degrowtherism. While they try desperately to avoid the consequences of the harm that their degrowther madness heaps on household budgets, we all know that they do not like US economic growth because financially sufficient Americans don't tend to vote for them other than the over-educated gentry.

    Americans are wise to them.
    REPUBLICANS STILL ON PACE FOR MIDTERM ROUT
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    The GOP is now sporting an 11-point lead on the generic Congressional ballot, 50% to 39%. That is more than enough to translate into major gains, somewhat moderated by the fact that the GOP did fairly well in the 2020 Congressional elections leaving Old washed up and increasingly deranged Nancy with the slimmest majority ever held in the House. The 2022 election should complete the GOP's resumption of the majority. The GOP edge is driven by patriotic American loving independents "who say they will vote for the Republican congressional candidate by a 46%-27% margin. The demographic breakdowns are interesting."

    The strong Trumpian gains with minorities continue and there is no gender gap as School Board Moms don the Trucker's hats. Mothers are very concerned about what the rabid groomer parent-hating Edu-Thugs are doing to their children.
     
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