Despite public support, little chance of school vouchers in California

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  1. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We want vouchers in California as polls prove. But the Democrats who are in charge refuse to support the public and keep blocking vouchers. Do you live in a voucher state and how did it work out?

    http://www.ocregister.com/2017/05/0...ttle-chance-of-school-vouchers-in-california/

     
  2. tkolter

    tkolter Well-Known Member

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    Because it would be UNCONSTITUTIONAL as in the second you give a voucher and its used for any form of religious education its a violation of the Separation of Church and State even if this passed as an amendment initiative or by law. In addition using the article almost half of students meet or exceed expectations which meets the statistical norms since half would be the opposite with a bit of space for errors. Minority students are doing worse couldn't it be as much cultural issues or their communities being crap and not the schools fault parents and the community needs to care to have decent schools and back the education of their children if they don't care the schools will fail and not do well.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You obviously have little understanding of what the Constitution actually says.

    First of all, the First Amendment in the U.S. Constitution would not apply here so long as it was not involving federal funds.
    But more to the point, it would not be a violation to give funding to any particular religious organization so long as that funding did not discriminate based on what type of religion it was, or whether it was religious.

    There is nowhere in either the federal or state Constitutions that explicitly spell out a "separation between church and state".
     
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    tkolter Well-Known Member

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    The Federal Courts ruled on this already on the separation of Church and State issue. Which protects religious organizations you take government dollars government rules go with it and it opens up their doors to having to hire people they don't like, having to follow any rules for teacher licensing and more or don't people get that is an issue? I'm not opposed to Charter Schools as long as they are de facto Public Schools and having vouchers go to Public Schools.

    Let me ask if a Catholic School gets the money and the government says you must hire openly a lesbian transgender woman its California they will get State funds and you know local ordinances and State law more than I do but they are very progressive on policies even if Federal Court decisions won't apply and it will it takes precedence the State laws would - your in trouble the second you hand one dollar to a religious school. Lawsuits will happen to force the State and local considerations for non-discrimination to apply. I would suggest they not try to go there. Why not have private funds do this if its a third party non-government charity doing this its fine that's what they did with vouchers in Milwaukee, WI they have the money go to a non-profit and they hand out the vouchers the government is not involved at all.
     

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