Dick "Allow Torture" Cheney: Approaching a new 9/11, but much worse

What a bunch of disingenuous twaddle. Your claim that killing people with poison gas was not done to create fear is nonsense. Of course Saddam had a political goal and wanted to send a warning to the kurds not to mess with him.

Genocide an crimes against humanity were Saddam's tools of terror. It is amazing the lengths some will go to delude themselves.

What is more humorous is that you seem to be ok with Bush Sr. aiding dictators who have committed crimes against humanity and genocide.

 

From your Wiki yet again;

""From 1985, however, the Iraqi Ba'athist regime under Saddam Hussein decided to eradicate pockets of Kurdish resistance in the north and strike down the peshmerga rebels by all means possible, including large-scale punishment of civilians and the use of chemical weapons. The Halabja event was also part of Iraqi efforts to counter-attack Kurdish and Iranian forces in the final stages of Operation Zafar 7.""

A military action, not to terrorize but to kill. Golly, even the victims don't agree with you for crying out loud. And what is the most humorous is that you have yet, after pages on this forum, to even state exactly what support Bush Sr gave the dictator (not terrorist but dictator). Feel free to start anytime prior to post #1000 LOL.

 

Where does it say that the victims do not agree that they were terrorized. It states plain as day that the attack was "punishment". Punishment through poison gas is a form of terror.

Why do you want evidence for the aid Bush Sr. gave Saddam ? If you had evidence would you be against giving Saddam this aid ?

 

The unsubstantiated one above takes the cake. I suppose you will use Uncle Alex and his gold mine site as proof of something or a quick factual response of 'we need questions answered as we don't have a bloody clue.'

 

At the trial as I posted from your beloved Wiki a few posts above. Golly, please keep up.

Simple, you gave a false quote and attributed it to Bush and refuse to post a widely accepted definition of terrorism that you use so, I smell BS. Furthermore, if you had an example you would have posted it a while ago so, do you have the proof or not?

While you're at it, please prove your case by showing us all that Saddam was a global terrorist group as that is what Bush was referring to when he made his statement about harboring terrorists and then, show us why you won't petition against the Chinese, Brazilians, French and the entire US for supporting Saddam. Are you so singularly fixated that those who did the most supporting are not worthy of even a comment? And if Bush meanint in the past why are the Germans exempt for gassing in WWI?

Me thinks you are just a ranting left winger who broke with the echo camber and is attempting to justify the Iraq invasion by stating the US was right to take out a terrorist like Saddam.

 

The simple fact that you can't have a rational discussion of the word terror is evidence enough of your disingenuous ignorance.

Your claim that the use of poison gas, committing genocide and crimes against humanity did not induce fear/terror is preposterous.

I did not give a false quote - take Bush out of context. I said that Bush said he was going after the supporters of terrorism.

http://www.rightwingnews.com/quotes/rwns-favorite-george-w-bush-quotes-2/

Are you suggesting that Bush did not mean that he was going after supporters of terrorists ?

Bush does put the same stipulations on Terrorists as you do. Saddam fits Bush's definition.

The quote above gives what Bush meant and even mentions the Germans. Deal with it

I am a right wing fiscal conservative who is moderate on social issues. You demonizing the messenger and attributing things I did not say does not help your argument. These are troll tactics.

I have never said anything in relation to the legitimacy of taking Saddam out and that is not the topic. You are so desperate to avoid the truth that you will do anything to avoid facing the reality of what the Bush Sr- admin did.

 

Still refusing to post the widely accepted definition of terrorism you use, how telling. Everything you don't like is terrorism when you make your own definitions up, like your self made Bush quote in post #37. Is your argument so weak that the truth cannot support it?

 

The truth will work (for me). What works for you?

 

The truth which is found by first providing a widely accepted definition of terrorism in order to ascertain what is and is not a global terrorist as nothing the FBI or UN has put forth supports his contention and then perhaps something equally authoritative with an example or two to prove it stating that use of chemical weapons is simply terrorism rather than genocide, murder or a crime against humanity.

 

I see. So, the truth kind of 'depends' on how it's defined then? The truth ought to be simply the truth, with no variables (and not on HOW it's defined). It should sink or swim on its own merits. 'Widely acceptable'? Hmm..to whom, exactly?

 

Hmm, try reading my post again where I say how one in this case can start to find it.

Pffft

 

I did. Still pretty cloudy.

 

Simple, when trying to ascertain if something is terrorism or not to know what the word itself is defining is a key part of that otherwise we are not discussing the same thing rather our individual interpretations. It's why dictionaries were made, so we would have common words which we could use to understand one another with and exchange ideas as foreign as that concept might be to some.

As I said two posts ago and you still seem to have problems understanding, prior to carrying out fruitful discussions with the hope of discovering the truth we have to ensure we are speaking of the same thing.

Anyhow, glad I could help!

 

“Inside Job: Seven Questions about 9/11”, raised questions about the events of 9/11 and whether more may have been involved than the official account of nineteen Islamic fundamentalists hijacking four commercial carriers, outfoxing the most sophisticated air defense system in the world, and perpetrating these atrocities under the control of a guy in a cave in Afghanistan.
These are the first plane crashes in its history that have not been investigated by the NTSB. An FBI official, when asked why not, replied, “It wasn’t necessary because we saw them on television.” But we did not see what happened at the Pentagon or in Shanksville “on television”—and what we have seen on TV does not look right.

We have no videos of the crash of Flight 93 in Shanksville and only the five frames from the Pentagon of Flight 77. We have familiar footage of Flight 175 hitting the South Tower and less familiar footage of Flight 11 impacting with the North Tower. Since it was not broadcast that day, that footage raises interesting questions about George W. Bush’s public remarks that, when he watched the plane hit the North Tower, he thought to himself, “There’s one terrible pilot!”
His comment, after all, only makes sense assuming it occurred before the second hit, after which anyone should have realized this was no accident but a deliberate occurrence. Bush added that “the TV was obviously on”, but since the public broadcasts did not show it at that time, the thought has crossed my mind that he may have actually seen it “live” on a closed Secret Service channel, which would be stunning evidence that 9/11 was indeed an inside job

 

Flight 11 hitting the North Tower
(a) Remarkably Jules Naudet, a French filmmaker, just happened to be in the vicinity doing a modest documentary about New York Firemen out looking for a “gas leak”. As Leslie Raphael has explained, that a cameraman should have been in precisely the right position to film this event depended upon a rather large number of conditions—either as a matter of coincidence, as the government would have us believe, or by design. If this occurred by chance, it’s improbability is astonishingly small. An odd flash occurs just as the flying object makes contact with the building

Sounds just like another Zupruder film a couple of lucky guys

 

20 reasons the official story is wrong

1. The impact of planes cannot have caused enough damage to bring the buildings down, since the buildings were designed to withstand them (as Frank DeMartini, the project manager, has observed), the planes alleged to have hit were similar to those they were designed to withstand, and the buildings continued to stand after those impacts with negligible effects.

2. Most of the jet fuel, principally kerosene, burned up in those fireballs in the first fifteen seconds or so. Below the 96th floor in the North Tower and the 80th in the South, those buildings were stone cold steel (unaffected by any fires at all other than some very modest office fires that burned around 500 degrees F), which functioned as a massive heat sink dissipating the heat from building up on the steel.

3. The melting point of steel at 2,800 degrees F is about 1,000 degrees higher than the maximum burning temperature of jet-fuel-based fires, which do not exceed 1,800 degrees F under optimal conditions; but the NIST examined 236 samples of steel and found that 233 had not been exposed to temperatures above 500 degrees F and the others not above 
1200.

4. Underwriters Laboratory certified the steel in the buildings up to 2,000 degrees F for three or four hours without any significant effects, where these fires burned neither long enough or hot enough at an average temperature of about 500 degrees for about one hour in the South Tower and one and a half in the North Tower to weaken, much less melt.

5. If the steel had melted or weakened, then the affected floors would have displayed completely different behavior, with some degree of asymmetrical sagging and tilting, which would have been gradual and slow, not the complete, abrupt and total demolition that was observed. Which means the NIST cannot even explain the initiation of any 
”collapse” sequence

6. The top 30 floors of the South Tower pivoted and fell to the side, turning to dust before it reached the horizontal. So it did not even exist to exert any downward pressure on the lower 80 floors. A high-school physics teacher, Charles Boldwyn, moreover, has calculated that, if you take the top 16 floors of the North Tower as one unit of downward force, there were 199 units of upward force to counteract it.

7. William Rodriguez, who was the senior custodian in the North Tower and the last man to leave the building, has reported massive explosions in the sub-basements that effected extensive destruction, including the demolition of a fifty-ton hydraulic press and the 
ripping of the skin off a fellow worker, where they filled with water that drained the sprinkler system.

8. Rodriguez observed that the explosion occurred prior to reverberations from upper floors, a claim that has now been substantiated in a new study by Craig Furlong and Gordon Ross, ”Seismic Proof: 9/11 Was an Inside Job,” demonstrating that these 
explosions actually took place as much as 14 and 17 seconds before the presumptive airplane impacts

 

9. Heavy-steel-construction buildings like the Twin Towers are not generally capable of “pancake collapse,” which normally occurs only with concrete structures of “lift slab construction” and could not occur in redundant welded-steel buildings, such as the towers, unless every supporting column were removed at the same time, floor by floor, as Charles Pegelow, a structural engineer, has observed.
10. The demolition of the two towers in about 10 seconds apiece is very close to the speed of free fall with only air resistance, which Judy Wood, Ph.D., formerly a professor of mechanical engineering, has observed is an astounding result that would be impossible with extremely powerful sources of energy. If they were collapsing, they would have had to fall through their points of greatest resistance.
11. Indeed, the towers are exploding from the top, not collapsing to the ground, where their floors do not move, a phenomenon Wood has likened to two gigantic trees turning to sawdust from the top down, which, like the pulverization of the buildings, the government’s account cannot possibly explain. There were no “pancakes”
12. WTC-7 came down in a classic controlled demolition at 5:20 PM after Larry Silverstein suggested the best thing to do might be to “pull it”, displaying all the characteristics of classic controlled demolitions: a complete, abrupt and total collapse into its own footprint, where the floors are all falling at the same time, yielding a stack of pancakes about 5 floors high.
13. Had the Twin Towers collapsed like WTC-7, there would have been two stacks of “pancakes” equal to about 12% the height of the buildings or around 15 floors high. But they were actually reduced to below ground level. Since there were no “pancakes”, there cannot have been any “pancake collapse” of either building, where the buildings were destroyed by different modes of demolition.
14. The hit point at the Pentagon was too small to accommodate a 100-ton airliner with a 125-foot wingspan and a tail that stands 44-feet above the ground; the debris was wrong for a Boeing 757: no wings, no fuselage, no seats, no bodies, no luggage, no tail! Not even the engines were recovered, which means that the official account is not true
15. The Pentagon’s own videotapes do not show a Boeing 757 hitting the building, as even Bill O’Reilly admitted when one was shown on ”The O’Reilly Factor”; at 155 feet, the plane was more than twice as long as the 77-foot Pentagon is high and should have been present and easily visible; it was not, which means that the video evidence also contradicts the official account.
16. The aerodynamics of flight would have made the official trajectory “flying at high speed barely above ground level” physically impossible, because a Boeing 757 flying over 500 mph could not have come closer than about 60 feet of the ground, which means that the official account is not even aerodynamically possible, as Nila Sagadevan, an aeronautical engineer, explained to me.
17. Data from a flight recorder provided to Pilots for 9/11 Truth by the National Transportation Safety Board corresponds to a plane with a different approach and altitude, which would have precluded its hitting lampposts or even the building itself, which means that, if this data corresponds to a Boeing 757, it would have flown over the Pentagon rather than hit it.

 

18. If Flight 93 crashed into an abandoned mine shaft, as the government maintains, then they should have brought out the heavy equipment and the bright lights and dug and dug, 24/7, in the hope that, by some miracle, someone might possibly have survived. But nothing like that was done. Even the singed trees and shrubs were trimmed, apparently to make it impossible to subject them to chemical analysis.
19. There is more, especially about the alleged hijackers, including that they were not competent to fly these planes and their names are not on any original, authenticated passenger manifest. Several have turned up alive and well and living in the Middle East. The government has not even produced their tickets as evidence that they were even aboard the aircraft they are alleged to have hijacked.
20. President Bush recently acknowledged that Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11. The Senate Intelligence Committee has reported that Saddam was not in cahoots with Al Qaeda. And the FBI has acknowledged that it has “no hard evidence” to tie Osama to 9/11. If Saddam did not do it and Osama did not do it, then who is responsible for the death of 3,000 citizens that day?

 

So how are they making out, any answers other than the official account yet?

 

Yup this guy is looking pretty guilty....
Paul Wolfowitz wrote
In their defining document ”Rebuilding America's Defenses,” written in September of 2000, a full year before the 9/11 attacks, they acknowledged:

”Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor. ...”

One year later, that event would arrive...



[ Wolfowitz was also the President of the World Bank between 2005 and 2007, and during that time he worked on implementing Globalist economic configurations such as ”public-private partnerships.” He is an excellent example of a ”Neocon Globalist,” due to his being heavily involved with both ”Neoconservatism” and ”Neoliberalism ]

Hmm... A new pearl harbor? That was the exact term used by the news corporations that day. I wonder.... to further America we would need another pearl harbor. Hmm what could Paul be talking about. Does he want someone to attack us so we will sign up to fight a war for them?
PNAC(project for a new American century) disbanded after the 911. No reason to have a think tank about needing a new pearl harbor anymore. What a great stoke of luck for these war monger's. They called for it and it happened. They look very guilty. If I was the FBI I would start by investigating the PNAC think tank. Members include Rumsfeld, Richard Perl, Carl Rove, Paul Wolfowitz, and a few more of Bush's cabinet members

 

PNAC MEMBERS

Elliott Abrams
Gary Bauer
William J. Bennett
John Ellis "Jeb" Bush.....Really ol Jeb
Dick Cheney
Eliot A. Cohen
Midge Decter
Paula Dobriansky
Steve Forbes
Aaron Friedberg
Francis Fukuyama
Frank Gaffney
Fred C. Ikle
Donald Kagan
Zalmay Khalilzad
I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby
Norman Podhoretz
J. Danforth Quayle
Peter W. Rodman
Stephen P. Rosen
Henry S. Rowen
Donald Rumsfeld
Vin Weber
George Weigel
Paul Wolfowitz

A fine group of criminal's

 

Abramowitz, Morton - Senior Fellow at the Century Foundation.

Abrams, Elliot - National Security Council – top advisor on the Middle East. Alumnus of the Heritage Foundation.
History: As Assistant Secretary of State for Human Rights and Humanitarian Affairs under Reagan, was responsible for covering up war crimes committed by the U.S. backed Contras. Was charged in connection with the Iran-Contra affair, and pled to lesser charges. Was later pardoned by Bush Sr. The British media reported Elliot was behind the attempted Chavez coup in Venezuela.

Allen, Richard V. - member: National Security Advisory Board, and the Defense Policy Board. President of the Richard V. Allen Company (consulting firm). Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institute.
History: founding chairman for the Heritage Foundation’s Asian Studies Center. Founding member of the Committee on the Present Danger. Former board member of the Center for Strategic and International Studies. Assistant to the President for National Security affairs during the Reagan administration, but forced from office over suspected financial misconduct.

Anderson, Mark A. - unable to verify biographical information from multiple sources (other than PNAC involvement).

Armitage, Richard - Deputy Secretary of State.
History: Former board member of CACI, the private military contractor whose employees were responsible for torturing prisoners at Abu Ghraib prison. Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs during the Reagan Administration. Named by the government as one of the people guilty of supplying weapons in the Iran Contra Affair, but never charged.

Au, Andrew Y. - unable to verify biographical information from multiple sources (other than PNAC involvement).

Bang-Jensen, Nina - executive director of the Coalition for International Justice.

Bao-Lord, Bette - member of the Council on Foreign Relations (director until 2003). Chairman of Freedom House. Wife of ex-ambassador to China Winston Lord, who is Co-chairman of the International Rescue Committee.

Barnett, Roger - professor at the Naval War College (a government facility).
History: Vice President of the National Institute for Public Policy. Professor at Georgetown University.

Bauer, Gary – founder of the Campaign for Working Families, president of American Values.
History: past president of the Family Research Council. Under Secretary of Education in the Reagan administration.

Bennet, William J. – co-director of Empower America, co-director of Partnership for a Drug-Free America, Distinguished Fellow of the Heritage Foundation. Writer.
History: Secretary of Education under Reagan.

Bergner, Jeffrey - study group member of the Commission on National Security 21st Century. Member of the board of trustees for the Hudson Institute, and the Asia Foundation. His lobbying company represents a number of weapons contractors, among other major corporations.
History: Staff Director for the Senate Foreign Relations Committee during the Reagan administration.

Bernstein, Alvin - unable to verify biographical information from multiple sources (other than PNAC involvement).

Bernstein, Robert L. - Professor at the National Defense University (a government facility).
History: worked at the Naval War College (government facility), and in the Defense Department.

Biddle, George - member of the Council on Foreign Relations, and Senior Vice President of the International Rescue Committee (allegedly a relief organisation).

Bolton, John R. - Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security.
History: Senior Vice President of the American Enterprise Institute. Assistant Secretary for International Organization Affairs for the Department of State under Bush Sr. Assistant Attorney General for the Department of Justice under Reagan.

Boot, Max - Senior Fellow of the National Security Studies. Contributing Editor for the Weekly Standard.
History: editor of the Wall Street Journal, writer and editor for the Christian Science Monitor.

Bork, Ellen – Deputy Director of the PNAC.
History: Transatlantic Fellow of the German Marshall Fund.

Boschwitz, Rudy - Presidential appointee to the Holocaust Memorial Council. One of the top fund-raisers for Bush Jr. in 2000. Founder of Home Valu Inc. Minnesota Senator (1978-1991).

Buckley, William F. Jr. - owner of National Review magazine.
History: CIA agent in the Fifties. Hosted the television show Firing Line.

Bush, Jeb – Governor of Florida.
History: Banned convicted felons from voting in the 2000 presidential election, using an extremely inaccurate system to remove voting rights; allowed ineligible absentee ballots to be counted.

Cambone, Stephen A. - Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence, Special Assistant to the Secretary and Director for Program Analysis and Evaluation – Department of Defense.
History: Special Assistant to Donald Rumsfeld just prior to current appointments. Director in the Defense Department during the Bush Sr. administration. Past deputy director in SRS Technologies (Defense contractor).

Carlucci, Frank - Chairman Emeritus of the Carlyle Group, and Nortel Networks. Member of the board of United Defense Inc. Considered a protégé of D. Rumsfeld.
History: Chairman of the Carlyle Group (1993-2000). Secretary of Defense during the Reagan administration. Deputy Director in the CIA. CIA agent. Accused of being behind the assassination of Congo Prime Minister Lumumba during the Sixties, but never charged.

Cheney, Dick – Vice President. Member of the Council on Foreign Relations. Employee(?) of Halliburton – draws a one million dollar per year salary.
History: worked for D. Rumsfeld in 1969. Presidential assistant to Gerald Ford. Secretary of Defense for Bush Sr. Halliburton CEO 1995 to 2000; gains the company 3.8 billion dollars in federal contracts and guaranteed loans. Upon becoming Vice President, Halliburton receives billions of dollars in Iraq contracts not tendered to other companies. Behind installing Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, John Bolton, and Elliot Abrams into their current positions in government. Wife Lynne is a senior fellow with the American Enterprise Institute. Daughter Elizabeth is Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Near East Affairs.

Clemons, Steven C. - Executive Vice President of the New America Foundation.

Cohen, Eliot A. - professor at Johns Hopkins University. Member of the Council on Foreign Relations.
History: professor at the Naval War College. Previously worked for D. Rumsfeld.

Cropsey, Seth - Director of the International Broadcasting Bureau.
History: Director in the Heritage Foundation. Visiting Fellow in the American Enterprise Institute. Assistant Editor of the Public Interest (1976-77). Hudson Institute researcher. Deputy Under Secretary in the Department of the Navy during the Reagan administration.

DeConcini, Dennis Webster - Chairman of the Board of Directors for the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children.
History: eighteen years as Senator from Arizona. Member of the Balkan Action Committee.

Dale, Helle - Director in the Heritage Foundation.

Decter, Midge – Writer. Heritage Foundation director. Wife of Norman Podhoretz. Claims to worship Donald Rumsfeld, and has written a book for Rumsfeld admirers.

Dobriansky, Paula - Under Secretary of State for Global Affairs.
History: Senior Vice President (Washington office) of the Council on Foreign Relations prior to appointment. Deputy Assistant Secretary for Human Rights and Humanitarian Affairs for the Department of State in the Reagan administration.

Donnelly, Thomas – Deputy Executive Director of the PNAC.
History: Director of Strategic Communication and Initiatives for Lockheed Martin Corp. (weapons contractor).

Eberstadt, Nicholas - consultant for the State Department, consultant for the Bureau of the Census. Member of the American Enterprise Institute.

Edgar, Robert (Rev. Dr.) - General Secretary of the National Council of Churches of Christ. Ordained as an United Methodist. Former Congressman.

Epstein, David - employee at the Office of Secretary of Defense – Net Assessment.

Etzioni, Amitai - founder of the Communitarian Network, and editor of their magazine. Was Senior Advisor to the White House on Domestic Affairs during the Carter administration.

Fautua, David - unable to verify biographical information from multiple sources (other than PNAC involvement).

Feulner, Edwin J. Jr. - Heritage Foundation.
History: advisor to President Reagan.

Forbes, Steve – President, CEO, and Editor-in-Chief of Forbes magazine.
History: campaigned twice for the Republican nomination for president. Directed the dissemination of propaganda on Radio Free Europe and Radio Liberty during both the Reagan and Bush Sr. administrations.

Fradkin, Hillel - member of the Advisory Committee on International Education – Department of Education. Part of Benador Associates, a publicity firm handling clients such as PNAC members R. Perle, J. Woolsey, F. Gaffney, C. Krauthammer, and M. Boot.
History: Fellow in the American Enterprise Institute prior to government appointment.

Friedberg, Aaron - Vice President’s Deputy National Security Advisor.
History: Fellow of the Council on Foreign Relations. Consultant for the CIA.

Fukuyama, Francis - President’s Council on Bioethics. Member of the Council on Foreign Relations.

Gaffney, Frank – President and CEO of the Center for Security Policy, Washington Times columnist, brother of Devon Gaffney-Cross.
History: worked for Richard Perle during the Reagan administration.

Gaffney-Cross, Devon - member of the Defense Policy Board (Pentagon). Member of the Board of Directors of the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments. Sister of Frank Gaffney.

Gejdenson, Sam - owns Sam Gejdenson International. Congressman (D) 1981 - 2000.

Gerecht, Reuel Marc – Senior Fellow of the PNAC, Resident Fellow of the American Enterprise Institute.
History: former CIA agent (1985 – 1994). CBS News consultant on Afghanistan.

Goldman, Merle - Adjunct Professor for the Foreign Service Institute of the State Department.

Goure, Daniel - consultant for the Department of State, the Department of Defense, and the Department of Energy. Vice President of the Lexington Institute. Was a Study Team Leader for the Institute of Peace (1990-91).

Halperin, Morton H. - director for the Council on Foreign Relations, and for the Open Society Institute.

Hefferman, John - unable to verify biographical information from multiple sources (other than PNAC involvement).

Hooper, James R. - Executive Director of the Balkan Action Council.

Ikle, Fred C. – Distinguished Scholar for the Center for Strategic and International Studies. Member of the Council on Foreign Relations.
History: Under Secretary of Defense for Policy in the Reagan administration.

Jackson, Bruce – President of the Project on Transitional Democracies. President of the Committee on NATO.
Member: Council on Foreign Relations, International Institute for Strategic Studies, Board of Advisors for the Center for Security Policy.
History: Director of Strategic Planning for Lockheed Martin Corp. (weapons contractor). Worked for Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, and Dick Cheney during the eighties.

Joyce, Michael S. - founder of Americans for Community and Faith-Centered Enterprise, an organisation created to help push through Bush Jr.’s “Faith-Based Initiative”. Member of the Research Council of America. Was part of the Presidential Transition Team for Reagan.

Kagan, Donald – Hillhouse Professor of History and Classics at Yale University. Writer. Father of Frederick and Robert Kagan.

Kagan, Frederick - Professor of military history at West Point.
History: co-wrote, with his father Donald and other PNAC contributors, “While America Sleeps”.

Kagan, Robert - co-founder of the PNAC. Contributing Editor for the Weekly Standard and the New Republic; columnist for the Washington Post. Member of the Council on Foreign Relations. Husband of Victoria Nuland, Deputy National Security Advisor to the Vice President.
History: Deputy in the Department of State under Elliot Abrams during the Reagan administration.

Kampelman, Max M. - Lawyer. Member of the Board of Trustees for Freedom House. Member of the Board of Advisors for the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs.

Karatnycky, Adrian - member of the Council on Foreign Relations, and Freedom House.
History: worked for the New York Times, Washington Post, and Washington Times.

Kemble, Penn - Department of State – Head, Eminent Persons Group, Sudan Slavery Commission. Senior Fellow in Freedom House.

Kennedy, Craig - President of the German Marshall Fund.

Khalilzad, Zalmay - Ambassador to Afghanistan, Special Presidential Envoy to Afghanistan, and Special Presidential Envoy to the Free Iraqis.
History: Senior Director of the National Security Council (2001 – 2003). Accused by candidates in the Afghan elections of arranging President Hamid Karzai’s victory. Worked for Paul Wolfowitz at the State Department in 1984 – 1985. Advisor to Unocal for their proposed gas pipeline project through Afghanistan (1997).

Killebrew, Robert B. - Colonel (retired)
History: Security Strategies study member for PNAC. Consultant to a variety of army and private institute military projects.

Kirkpatrick, Jeane - on the executive committee of Freedom House, and the board of advisors of the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs. Member of the Council on Foreign Relations, and the Committee on the Present Danger. Former U.S. Ambassador. Member of the National Security Council under Reagan.

Koh, Harold Hongju - Dean of Yale.
History: Assistant Secretary of State for Democracy, Human Rights and Labor in the Clinton administration.

Kovler, Peter - Nixon Center Advisory Council. Balkans Action Committee.

Krauthammer, Charles - Presidential appointee to the President’s Council On Bioethics. Columnist for the Washington Post. Contributing Editor for the New Republic, and the Weekly Standard. Member of the Editorial Board for the National Interest, and the Public Interest.

Kristol, William - co-founder of the PNAC. Columnist for (and co-founder of) the Weekly Standard.
History: Chief of Staff to Vice President Dan Quayle, Secretary of Education Chief of Staff under William Bennett during the Reagan administration.

Lagon, Mark P. - Deputy Assistant Secretary of State.
History: fellow of the Council on Foreign Relations. Deputy Director of the House Republican Committee. Senior advisor to Jeane Kirkpatrick - American Enterprise Institute.

Lasswell, James - Employee of GAMA Corporation (war games, military training via software).

Lehrman, Lewis E. - on the Board of Trustees for the Heritage Foundation, and the American Enterprise Institute. President and co-founder of the Citizens for America.

Libby, I. Lewis - Assistant to the President, and Chief of Staff to the Vice President.
History: after graduating law school, went to work for Paul Wolfowitz (1981 - 1985) at the State Department. Hired again by Wolfowitz in 1989, this time at the Pentagon.

Lindberg, Tod - Research Fellow at the Hoover Institute. Editor of Policy Review journal.

Mack, Connie III - Congressman for Florida. Previously served in the Florida House of Representatives (2000 - 2003).

Maletz, Christopher – Assistant Director of the PNAC.

Markey, Mary Beth - Executive Director for the International Campaign for Tibet. Worked in the Senate Foreign Relations Committee prior to 1996.

Martinage, Robert - consultant for the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments.

McKivergan, Daniel – Deputy Director of the PNAC.
History: research director for The Weekly Standard (1995 – 1997). Legislative director for Senator John McCain (2000), and for Congressman Dan Miller (1997).

Meese, Edwin III - Heritage Foundation.
History: Attorney General during the Reagan administration. Investigated for his involvement in the Iraq Bechtel pipeline deal (which also involved D. Rumsfeld) - not prosecuted, but resigned.

Meilinger, Phil – U.S. Naval War College.

Muravchik, Joshua - Resident Scholar for the American Enterprise Institute. Member of the Board of Advisors for the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs.

Owens, Mackubin - professor at the Naval War College (a government facility).

Owens, Wayne - Deceased (December 18, 2002).
History: eight years as Congressman (D) for Utah.

Peretz, Martin - owner and Editor-in-Chief of the New Republic magazine.

Perle, Richard N. - Pentagon Policy Advisor (resigned February 2004), member – Defense Policy Board.
Member: Balkan Action Committee, Committee on the Present Danger, American Enterprise Institute associate. On advisory board of the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs.
History: Assistant Secretary of Defense under Reagan. FBI suspected Perle of spying for Israel in 1970 - not prosecuted.

Pletka, Danielle - Vice President of Foreign and Defense Policy for the American Enterprise Institute.
History: senior staff member of the U.S. Senate Committee on Foreign Relations (1992-2002).

Podhoretz, Norman - member of the Council on Foreign Relations. Husband of Midge Decter, father-in-law of Elliot Abrams.

Porter, John Edward - member of the RAND board of Trustees.
History: Congressman until 2000.

Quayle, J. Danforth - was Vice President under Bush Sr.

Rodman, Peter W. - Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs.
History: Staff Director of State Department Policy Planning under Reagan.

Rosen, Stephen P. - Harvard professor.
History: professor at the Naval War College. Director in the National Security Council under Reagan.

Rowen, Henry S. - member of Department of Defense Policy Board. Presidential appointee to the Commission on the Intelligence Capabilities of the United States Regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction.
History: Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs under Bush Sr. RAND Corporation president 1967–1972.

Rumsfeld, Donald - Secretary of Defense.
Member: Hoover Institution board of trustees, RAND Corporation, Empower America board, Freedom House board, Balkan Action Committee, Committee on the Present Danger, Center for Security Policy.
History: Congressman from 1962 to 1969. Member of Nixon’s cabinet. Member of Gerald Ford’s cabinet and Secretary of Defense. Chaired Ballistic Missile Threat (“Rumsfeld”) Commission in 1998.

Scheunemann, Randy – on PNAC Board of Directors, U.S. Committee on NATO Board of Directors. Treasurer for Project on Transitional Democracies. Lobbyist.
History: Office of the Secretary of Defense - Consultant on Iraq Policy (2001).

Schmitt, Gary – Executive Director of the PNAC. Consultant to the Department of Defense.Member of the Board of Directors of the U.S. Committee on NATO. Visiting Fellow at the Brookings Institute. Adjunct Professor at John Hopkins University.
History: Executive Director of the President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board under Reagan.

Schneider, William Jr. - Chairman of the Defense Science Board for the Department of Defense. President of International Planning Services, works for the lobbying company Jefferson Consulting Group. Previously served on the “Rumsfeld Commission”.

Shaw, Sin-Ming - resident scholar at Oxford University’s Oriel College.

Shulsky, Abram N. - Director: Defence Department’s Office Of Special Plans, a division created by Paul Wolfowitz.
History: Worked for the RAND corporation. Worked under Richard Perle in the Defense Department during the Reagan administration.

Shultz, Richard - Professor of International Politics at the Fletcher School. Holds Chairs at the Naval War College and the U.S. Military Academy. Fellow at the Institute of Peace.

Simon, Paul - Deceased (Dec. 9/03). Former Democratic Senator.

Sokolski, Henry - Executive Director of the Nonproliferation Education Center.
History: was Resident Fellow in the Heritage Foundation and the Hoover Institution. Was a Senior Legislative Aide for Senator Dan Quayle.

Solarz, Stephen J.- vice chairman of the International Crisis Group. Member of the Council on Foreign Relations.
History: Congressman for New York (1975-93)

Sonnenfeldt, Helmut - Brookings Institution.
History: member of the National Security Council. Advisor to President Nixon.

Sussman, Leonard - executive director of Freedom House. Was a journalist in New York.

Sweeney, John J. - President of the American Federation of Labor - Congress of Industrial Organizations (AFL-CIO). Member of the Council on Foreign Relations.

Taft, William Howard IV - Chief Legal Advisor to the Department of State.
History: assistant to Casper Weinberger in the Nixon administration.

Thornburgh, Dick - Lawyer. Past governor of Pennsylvania. Attorney General in the Reagan and Bush Sr. administrations.

Tkacik, John - Heritage Foundation. President of China Business Intelligence. Worked in the State Department during the Reagan administration.

Turner, Ed - unable to verify biographical information from multiple sources (other than PNAC involvement).

Vickers, Michael - Director of Strategic Studies for the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments. Creator of “Future Warfare 20XX” games. Former CIA agent.

Waldron, Arthur - board member of Freedom House, member of the Council on Foreign Relations.
History: professor at the Naval War College (1991-97).

Wallop, Malcolm - Heritage Foundation. Founder and Chairman of the Frontiers of Freedom.
History: part of the Rumsfeld Commission. Senator for Wyoming (1977 - 1995).

Watts, Barry D. - Director of Program Analysis and Evaluation – Office of The Secretary of Defense.
History: before government appointment, was a director in Northrop Gruman (weapons contractor).

Webb, James - was Secretary of the Navy and Assistant Secretary of Defense during the Reagan administration.

Weber, Vin - member of the National Commission on Public Service. Member of the German Marshall Fund – board of trustees. Co-founder of Empower America. Partner in Clark & Weinstock.
History: Congressman for Minnesota 1980 – 1992.

Weigel, George – Senior Fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center.
History: co-founded National Endowment for Democracy.

Weinberger, Caspar W.– writer.
History: past publisher and chairman of Forbes magazine. Secretary of Defense under Reagan. Indicted on felony charges for his participation in supplying missiles to Iran, but pardoned by President Bush Sr.

Weyrich, Paul M. – President of the Free Congress Research and Education Foundation. National Chairman of Coalitions for America.
History: co-founded Heritage Foundation. Co-founded the Moral Majority. Past treasurer of Council for National Policy.

Williams, Christopher A. - Department of Defense – Special Assistant to Donald Rumsfeld. Lobbyist for Boeing and Northrop Grumman Corporation (weapons contractors).
History: member of Pentagon’s Deterrence Concepts Advisory Panel, and member of Pentagon’s Defense Policy Board during Bush Jr. administration.

Windsor, Jennifer L. - Executive Director of Freedom House.
History: previously held various positions at the U.S. Agency for International Development.

Wolfowitz, Paul - Deputy Secretary of Defense, and Assistant to the Vice President.
History: Head of the State Department’s Policy Planning Staff under Reagan. Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Regional Programs under Carter.

Woolsey, R. James - member of the Defense Policy Board, member of the Deterrence Concepts Advisory Panel, and member of the National Commission on Energy Policy. Trustee for the Center for Strategic and International Studies. Chairman of the Board of Trustees for Freedom House. Honorary Co-Chair of the National Security Advisory Council.
History: Director of the CIA during Clinton administration.

Wortzel, Larry - Director in the Heritage Foundation.

Zakheim, Dov S. - Member of the advisory board for the American Jewish Committee, member of the Council on Foreign Relations, and Adjunct Scholar for the Heritage Foundation. Under Secretary and Chief Financial Officer for the Department of Defense (resigned April 15, 2004).

Zoellick, Robert B. - U.S. Trade Representative and member of President’s Cabinet.
History: Under Secretary of State for Economic and Agricultural Affairs, then White House Deputy Chief of Staff in the Bush Sr. administration

 

Above is the list of players involved in the 911 conspiracy to commit mass murder. As Mr. Bedson requested.

 

We've Got A Suspect In The
Wayne Owens Murder
By Barry Chamish
chamish@netvision.net.il
12-31-2

Mr Owens was a member of PNAC. Apparently he knew to much. I find it interesting that the place he was killed was Israel. Implicating the MOSSAD as a co-conspirator to commit mass murder.

 

How strange, Israel is quite capable of killing it's enemies outside of their own country and so, what exact role did he have, and, what information did he have that you are able to say that he knew too much and, if you actually know something (which I seriously doubt as you have yet to reveal anything resembling proof that it was not as the official story states) why are you not dead?

Certainly they are names but, you forgot the proof to back up your contention that they are 'the' players as you conveniently forgot to mention their roles and how, why, what and when they did what you contend they did and, provide proof of it. In essence, you may as well have supplied us with names from the Milwaukee phone book.