Did god really condemn mankind? Is god a just god?

Avoiding directly tackling your absurd idea for a moment, that sort of goes back to the whole theological issue of why did God even bother putting people on Earth? Why not just automatically and immediately put everyone in Heaven.

Will you agree with me that the issue you described pretty much boils down to that?
(i.e. we can condense your moral question under that same category)

 

Oh, I disagree with that. I saw an interesting documentary many years ago interviewing young 3 and 4-year-old children in Sweden, who mostly have agnostic and atheist parents. About half of them believed there may possibly be, or probably was, some sort of God, but weren't entirely sure. Maybe only a third of them believed there was no God, but none of them seemed completely certain about that, and the remainder said they had no idea. It was very interesting because very few of these children had Christian parents, and only one of these children had been brought to church by their parents. It's obviously a very secular society that they were living in.
They all seemed like very rational intelligent children for their age.

 

Note that in the Bible, Jesus referred to "hell" some three times more than he did "heaven".

 

That's a very fatalistic attitude. That's like a serial killer not taking personal moral responsibility for his own actions and blaming it on predetermination.

 

Your point seems to be just semantics. You have the story of the Garden of Eden, which both Jews and Christians share. You can interpret that however you'd like.

 

How is that ridiculous? A newborn chooses to sin.
My dad tells me I peed in his face while he was changing my diaper, and I was giggling.

 

It's amazing the things the Atheists demand from God they do not even offer in their own society, with the laws they advocate for and create.

It's really a hypocritical double standard.

Name your complaint against God (even if we are only hypothetically talking about his existence) that you do not yourself do, or advocate doing, to other people living under government.

We saw under the Soviet Union the government was God. And it wasn't some bright and shiny heaven.


Even when it comes to the issue of belief, we've seen what many Progressives want to do to those who do not share the same beliefs as them.
It's just totally hysterically ridiculous.

Yeah, do you think the world would be more just and righteous if YOU were God?

 

Look, I'm not even actually arguing here that there is a God that exists, but all the arguments from Atheists so far in this thread (and others) have been intellectually hollow and hypocritical, and dare I say in many cases disingenuous.

Why bother arguing with those who aren't interested in having an intellectually honest debate?

 

Yes. For the reasons people give for calling Gnostic Christians the only good Christians.

It is not hard to do better than a genocidal son murdering prick of a god.

Regards
DL

 

To try to mitigate the damage that their vile religions are doing and to end them ASAP.

Regards
DL

 

Billy Graham had this to say:
"Listen, God is not trying to reform the world, he is trying to redeem those who will accept Christ."

 

It's questionable whether "Gnostic Christianity" is real Christianity.
And that's a generous way of putting it.

 

And if a Christian says "boo" they get an infraction for insulting.

 

Is the story the same for Jews and Christians? Jews don't believe in original sin. .. and it really wasn't Christian doctrine until about the 3rd century AD.

 

Christianity is about humans (who are inately sinful) accepting the salvation offered by the sacrifice of God's son.

That is not anything like God selecing individual humans to cull. Regardless of whether this happens, it is not the message of Christianity.

 

What is this "damage" Christians are doing?

 

You're struggling to create exceptions.

Christianity believes the decision is based on the relationship of a human to god.

There is no tenet of Christianity that suggests God polls others to see if torture is warranted.

 

There aren't many people in scripture who are kind or good.

 

That's supposed to say something inherent about human nature.

 

Somehow I bet a thread (much less so many) critical of Islam, would not go over well. But Christian bashing is approved!

 

That may be implied, in Catholic informal doctrine.

That's why the saints struggled so much to forgive those who had wronged them.
(Read the story of St. Maria Goretti)

 

I think someone started a thread some time ago bringing up this point.
The Incomprehensible Paradox: Alliance between Islam and the Left

 

It's Christianity - not just Catholic.

And, I think it's somewhat insulting to suggest saints have done what they did in order to avoid everlasting torture.

 

Over two years old. Not exactly common. Probably 50 Christian bashing threads for every one on Islam.

 

Part of what they did was to avoid everlasting torture for the one that sinned against them.

In the case of Maria Goretti, she didn't desire that her would-be rapist and murderer would go to hell.
If she had not intervened and had not forgiven him, he would have.