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Discussion pertaining to the militia act of 1792

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Xenamnes, Dec 5, 2018.

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  1. Xenamnes

    Xenamnes Banned

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    As things presently stand, exactly what is preventing the current legal owners of fully-automatic firearms from using such to engage in widespread mass killings that would easily dwarf the Las Vegas incident? Explain what this mechanism is, that is preventing such killings from becoming the new norm since such firearms not only exist, but are legally owned.
     
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    TOG 6 Well-Known Member

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    Indeed - the LV shooter had the means and the capacity to obtain a minigun and thousands upon thousands rounds for same.
     
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  3. Toggle Almendro

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    That is incorrect. The Second Amendment protects the right of militiamen to have modern infantry weapons.

    Not exactly infantry weapons.

    Think more along the lines of an M16 with an underbarrel 40mm grenade launcher attached. And an AT4 bazooka or two.
     
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  4. Toggle Almendro

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    Not quite. In addition to that, there is also a requirement that the government has to have a compelling reason for the regulation.

    And the regulation has to be narrowly tailored to have little impact beyond that compelling government interest.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strict_scrutiny

    That would materially infringe on our right to have weapons that we can use for self defense.

    It would definitely infringe on the right of militiamen to have modern combat weapons.
     
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  5. Xenamnes

    Xenamnes Banned

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    The united state supreme court has stated, in absolute terms, not just once but three times now, that the second amendment is connected to the constitutional right of self defense. Therefore government does not possess the legal authority to dictate that firearms and ammunition cannot be deadly by their very nature.
     
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    You have to wonder how long DT is going to hold on to his claim.
     
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    Actually, there is. That's the whole point of the Second Amendment.
     
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  8. Richard The Last

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    Agreed.
    Nothing in the 2A that says I can't have military grade firearms either.
     
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    No. Not according to Rucker. According to the Constitution.
     
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  10. Richard The Last

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    I believe that!
    Yes, that was the NRA allowing mentally unbalanced people to do things. No wait, that was doctors and law enforcement doing that!
     
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    Thank you all for PROVING my point that NRA supporters incorrectly believe that they have some imaginary right to own lethal weapons of war.
     
    Derideo_Te, Jan 31, 2019
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    Just like your "imaginary right" to be able to post your opinion here in a public forum. Isn't life grand?
     
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    The Second Amendment is far from imaginary.
     
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    Wrong!

    I have no right at all to post my opinion on this "public": forum since it is PRIVATELY OWNED and PF can decide to stop me from posting anything at all.

    PF sets the REGULATIONS as to what I can and cannot post on THEIR PRIVATE forum.

    Unless I ABIDE by the REGULATIONS that PF has laid out I will lose my ability to post on this forum.

    That is REALITY!

    We the People have formed a government to protect our INDIVIDUAL rights to express our opinions. However that right is REGULATED in much the same way that PF regulates their forum. I have no individual right to express any opinion that INCITES violence. There is no individual right to utter falsehoods for the purpose of deceiving others for my own personal gain. I have no right to plagiarize the words of others and call them my own.

    ALL of the above are REASONABLE REGULATIONS upon my individual right to freedom of expression. None of those regulations INFRINGE upon my right to express my opinion.

    NRA supporters ERRONEOUSLY believe that the government of We the People does not have the right to REGULATE their ownership of lethal weapons. They are 100% WRONG in that absurd belief.

    That is REALITY!
     
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    That isn't reality. Few NRA supporters oppose regulations that pass muster with strict scrutiny.
     
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    Reality proves the opposite to be the case!

    Just look at all of the posts in this thread and others in this subforum where there is vehement opposition to every attempt to regulate the ownership of lethal firearms.
     
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    Opposition arises only when the regulations in question do not pass muster with strict scrutiny.
     
    Toggle Almendro, Jan 31, 2019
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    Nonsense!
     
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    Show some examples of opposition to laws that pass muster with strict scrutiny.
     
    Toggle Almendro, Jan 31, 2019
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    Regulations that keep lethal firearms out of the hands of the mentally unbalanced!
     
    Derideo_Te, Jan 31, 2019
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    That's pretty vague. What regulations are you talking about?
     
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    The ones that were already in place that your beloved BLOTUS rolled back arbitrarily in order to placate the NRA supporters.
     
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    People who are claustrophobic or anorexic are hardly dangerous, and there is no justification for depriving them of guns.

    Those regulations would not have even come close to passing muster with strict scrutiny.
     
    Toggle Almendro, Jan 31, 2019
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    Kneejerk denialism without any substantive basis proves my point once again!
     
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    Nonsense. People with anorexia and claustrophobia are hardly dangerous.

    Trump just prevented the left from violating people's civil liberties for fun. That's a good thing.
     
    Toggle Almendro, Jan 31, 2019
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