Disney wants you to know slaves built this country

And now the girl’s brother was attacked and beaten.


Florida mom of 9-year-old girl beaten on school bus shares disturbing new video of son also being attacked

https://nypost.com/2023/02/09/girl-beaten-on-florida-school-buss-brother-also-attacked/

 

(DEC 2021) Biden signs bill banning goods from China's Xinjiang over forced labor
U.S. President Joe Biden on Thursday signed into law legislation that bans imports from China's Xinjiang region over concerns about forced labor, the White House said, provoking an angry Chinese condemnation. The Uyghur Forced Labor Prevention Act is part of the U.S. pushback against Beijing's treatment of the China's Uyghur Muslim minority, which Washington has labeled genocide.

I don't recall Trump denouncing China's abuse of the Uyghur people, which actually increased under his administration. Perhaps this is one reason why:

Forbes Estimates China Paid Trump At Least $5.4 Million Since He Took Office, Via Mysterious Trump Tower Lease
President Donald Trump, who declared “I don’t make money from China” in Thursday night’s presidential debate, has in fact collected millions of dollars from government-owned entities in China since he took office. Forbes estimates that at least $5.4 million has flowed into the president’s business from a lease agreement involving a state-owned bank in Trump Tower.

And didn't Ivanka get awarded 18 fast-tracked trademarks from China?

Ivanka Trump Wins China Trademarks, Then Her Father Vows to Save ZTE
China this month awarded Ivanka Trump seven new trademarks across a broad collection of businesses, including books, housewares and cushions. At around the same time, President Trump vowed to find a way to prevent a major Chinese telecommunications company from going bust, even though the company has a history of violating American limits on doing business with countries like Iran and North Korea.

And didn't Jared Kushner also profit lucratively from Chinese funds?

Kushner Family Stands to Get $400 Million from a Chinese Firm in 'Unusually Favorable' Deal
A company owned by the family of Jared Kushner, U.S. President Donald Trump’s son-in-law, stands to receive over $400 million from China’s Anbang Insurance Group, that is investing in a Manhattan building owned by the Kushners, Bloomberg reported.

And how about Don & Eric?

How Don Jr., Ivanka, and Eric Trump Have Profited Off Their Dad's Presidency
During their father’s tenure as president, Don Jr. and Eric have repeatedly managed to cash in on their newfound positions of political privilege in their business dealings. So, too, have their sister Ivanka and brother-in-law Jared Kushner, both of whom hold senior positions in the administration and whose companies and investment portfolios netted them anywhere between $29 million and $135 million last year, per their financial disclosure forms. Here are some of the highlights of when the family's business intertwining with government affairs constituted the “appearance of impropriety” and “conflict of interest.”

How other countries conduct their own affairs is not my concern. It's the concern of the citizens of those countries. But the Right will always use other nations as a way to deflect & distract from their own failures.

Now, what about modern-day American slavery? Why is it you don't mention slavery on our own home turf?

‘Slavery by any name is wrong’: the push to end forced labor in prisons
A report published by the American Civil Liberties Union in June 2022 found about 800,000 prisoners out of the 1.2 million in state and federal prisons are forced to work, generating a conservative estimate of $11bn annually in goods and services while average wages range from 13 cents to 52 cents per hour. Five states – Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Mississippi and Texas – force prisoners to work without pay.

Did you notice the states listed? All dominated by Republicans, as would be expected.

It's not about slavery, but its systemic legacy which still remains. Keep in mind, segregation was officially abolished in 1964. That's only 59 years ago! You think the predominating racist views & attitudes of that period just evaporated after 1964?

And it's not about white skin, but about white culture. White culture, with its long tradition of promoting brutal capitalism, greed, competition, war, genocide, slavery, environmental destruction, xenophobia & racism, division, and imperialism (empire-building) still dominates American domestic & foreign policies, as well as infecting virtually every part of the world with its cancerous tentacles.

Speaking of 'double standards', I find it interesting that you never bring up Russia, N. Korea, and Saudi Arabia, the hardline leaders of which Trump greatly admires—of course because they're all dictators like himself and are living the life he yearns for. In fact, Trump admires himself so much that he cited a crackpot MAGA Trumper on his twitter page. Trump wrote:

“Thank you to Wayne Allyn Root for the very nice words. “President Trump is the greatest President for Jews and for Israel in the history of the world, not just America, he is the best President for Israel in the history of the world...and the Jewish people in Israel love him like he’s the King of Israel. They love him like he is the second coming of God...But American Jews don’t know him or like him. They don’t even know what they’re doing or saying anymore. It makes no sense! But that’s OK, if he keeps doing what he’s doing, he’s good for all Jews, Blacks, Gays, everyone. And importantly, he’s good for everyone in America who wants a job.” Wow!

We all know Trump is certifiably insane, but what's the GOP's excuse for not denouncing these dictatorships. Are they just infected with TDS?

And since you're so fixated on China, here's what Trump thinks of China's President Xi.

US President Trump says he called Xi Jinping the ‘king’ of China
Speaking Tuesday at the National Republican Congressional Committee spring dinner in Washington, Trump said Xi had denied he was a king but the US leader insisted. “He said, ‘But I am not king, I am president.’ I said ‘No, you’re president for life, and therefore you’re king’,” Trump told his audience, prompting laughter. “He said, huh. He liked that. I get along with him great.”

 

I don't see this as an anti-white message, because I do not believe that white people are pro-slavery.

As for the notion that slaves built this country, I do not agree, but I can see some partial truths in that notion. There was a failure to abolish slavery at our foundation, and many elements of our country were in fact built by slaves, including the headquarters of our federal government.. by which I mean the White House and the US Capitol building.. they were quite literally built by slaves. However, I cannot fully agree with the notion that slaves built the US, simply because I believe that slavery was an impediment on our development as a nation. We became more prosperous after slavery was abolished than we were before slavery was abolished, and I would argue that most of what the US built was in fact the result of abolishing slavery.

 

Do you see anything untrue in the strip? If any history is taught all history should be taught.

 

Right, so let me amend my statement: MANY cartoons are geared to children but a lot of them are also meant for adults to enjoy, too. Definitely gotta say I was a fan of the old Justice League cartoons from the early 2000s. And the 90s X-Men

 

There is NO evidence that all the white people are living off of wealth from their family that came from slavery. NONE. That is PURE fantasy. I don't have wealth from MY PARENTS left alone my grand-parents from whom my parents inherited NOTHING. Generational wealth is short lived in family lines.

Generational Wealth: Why do 70% of Families Lose Their Wealth in the 2nd Generation?

....It is estimated that 70% of wealthy families will lose their wealth by the second generation and 90% will lose it by the third. There are a variety of reasons why this happens.....
https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/gen...se-their-wealth-in-the-2nd-generation-2018-10

You would be hard pressed to find anyone for whom you could trace a directly line of their wealth from slavery. Nor to prove anyone who is not wealthy now because of slavery.

 

Great points! I actually hardly know anyone in real life that can trace their lineage back to those times in America. Either their parents or their parents' parents came here from another country.

 

Depends where you live of course. Could be a high immigrant community. If you go to London for example, 70% of the population are recent (last 100 years) immigrants. Same with most big cities I'd guess.

 

Does picking cotton count as building this country?

When picking apples, can I also claim to be building the country?

 

Great point! Jersey here so lots of Italians.

 

Is lawncare your area's primary economic resource?

 

Anticipating such a response, I already changed it to picking apples prior to your reply.

 

If you live in an area where picking apples is the primary economic resource, then yes, I'd argue that the people performing that economically important action are building your economy. How is this controversial?

 

Forced agricultural labor in the Americas & West Indies was a very lucrative business (as it is all over the world). How do you think the slave owners could afford such luxurious mansions, amenities, investments and additional land & business ventures (as well as wield political influence)?



America was literally built on slavery & indentured servitude first, then slave wages later (because people refused to work for free).

 

To me, such a characterization is silly.

For starters, if I were going to think of who built Apple Computers, I would think Steve Jobs and Wozniak. People do not credit factory workers as having "built" Apple computers.

On top of that, if you ARE going to go the route of crediting the laborers rather than the top of the chain, it is not as if slaves were the only laborers in the country. In those days, darn near everyone was a laborer. From that perspective alone it is improper to state that the slaves built this country. At best, you could say that they took part in building the country. There were an awful lot of people in those days that worked their a** off, and slaves were but a tiny fraction of those laborers. There is no reason that they alone deserve the credit for building this country. If you want to credit the laborers, you could simply say our forefathers, which includes everybody. Singling out slaves for their labor, improperly implies they were somehow the only laborers at that time.

 

While I do not want to be redundant, the reply I gave above applies here as well...

To me, such a characterization is silly.

For starters, if I were going to think of who built Apple Computers, I would think Steve Jobs and Wozniak. People do not credit factory workers as having "built" Apple computers.

On top of that, if you ARE going to go the route of crediting the laborers rather than the top of the chain, it is not as if slaves were the only laborers in the country. In those days, darn near everyone was a laborer. From that perspective alone it is improper to state that the slaves built this country. At best, you could say that they took part in building the country. There were an awful lot of people in those days that worked their a** off, and slaves were but a tiny fraction of those laborers. There is no reason that they alone deserve the credit for building this country. If you want to credit the laborers, you could simply say our forefathers, which includes everybody. Singling out slaves for their labor, improperly implies they were somehow the only laborers at that time.

 

If the business depended on enslaving people for such work and forcing them to work unpaid, then yes, I'd credit them for what they were not credited for before.

Correct. They were the unpaid, forced laborers, and were the biggest economic interest of the South because of it.

If we wanted to ignore history, sure. Which is, of course, the goal here.

 

To me your reply does nothing to refute what I had just said. I see no reason to bother responding to it. I will instead happily let my preceding reply speak for itself.

 

So you see no reason to credit the people who actually did the work? That's up to you.

 

Yes, many things. But if I took the time the write about, most of the left would not read read it. Hear a short version to see if it gets any traction.

Historians have argued that the North was so strong that the South could never have won the Civil War. There is a lot of truth to that, but the biggest problem for the North was to see if it had the perseverance to finish the job.

In the North, there were a lot of southern sympathizers who supported the South. They were called “copperheads.” In addition there were a lot of people who became war weary and wanted it to end, even if the South became a separate nation.

At the beginning of the war, there were 11 states that seceded and formed the Confederacy. There were three more, Kentucky, Maryland and Missouri, that were on the bubble. If Maryland had seceded, Washington, DC would have been lost. There would have been no way to defend it. If the other two had gone, winning the war would have been much harder for the North, and perhaps that would have given the anti-war forces enough political power to have forced Lincoln’s hand.

Lincoln was walking a tightrope. He had wanted to end slavery from the beginning (Quote “If slavery is not wrong, then nothing is wrong.”) because he did not have to support of enough people to end it. Therefore he ran on the premise that slavery could continue in the places where existed, but expand no further. That was the best he could do in the early 1860s.

The Emancipation Proclamation was a huge step, and a lot of people, including those in the army, did agree with it. But it was a first step in ending slavery. It only included states that still have in rebellion against The United States as of January 1, 1863.

The Disney cartoon made a big deal of this, but it ignored the politics of the time. It ignored the fact that Lincoln pushed hard for the 13th Amendment to the Constitution which ended slavery completely. All the Disney writers said was that Lincoln was bad guy, and that history should not recall him as “the Great Emancipator.”

This was just one more example of how how inaccurate this cartoon is and how it is poisoning the minds of young children,.

 

Nope; couldn't get through it.

 

I figured you wouldn’t be able to do it.

 

Is that what you think my statement says?

That is a strange interpretation. REALLY strange.

Oh well. Once again, there is no need for me to bother refuting it since it clearly falls of its own accord.

 

Lincoln wanted to end slavery, but he understood his legal restrictions in doing so. The Emancipation Proclamation only worked because the captured slaves were considered contraband. It's what he had to work with at the moment.

 

Wrong word, willing is the word you are looking for.