Disturbing facts about guns

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Galileo, Oct 18, 2023.

  1. Galileo

    Galileo Well-Known Member

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    https://projectunloaded.org/get-the-facts/

    I recently discovered this site. It's very informative and has links to a lot of studies. It challenges people to live unloaded:

    https://projectunloaded.org/take-action/
     
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    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How many crimes are avoided because the criminal was worried their target might be armed and decided to not risk getting shot?

    I'll give you a hint- its more than zero.
     
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    Just when I thought there could be no more phony, biased BS...
     
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    Turtledude Well-Known Member Donor

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    the people who created that site are hard core leftist operatives who started with the idea that guns should be banned and worked backwards to justify their hateful position.
     
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    You should send this to SCOTUS.
     
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    How come it doesn't tell you the rest of the story on the average day in America where 130 people are killed with a firearm?

    How many of those are suicides?

    Did you know owning a pool especially if you have a child exponentially increases the chance of accidental drowning?

    It even increases the chance for adults. Owning a ladder increases your chance that you could fall off of it.
    If you don't own a ladder you can't fall off of it...
     
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    That's nice.
    The right to keep and bear arms is no longer subject to means-end tests.
     
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    Why would anyone want to voluntarily give up ANY Constitutional right?
     
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    I like to type this from time to time, just to exercise my fingers if nothing else --

    "GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE -- PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE!" :party:

    Have a nice day....
     
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    Because they hold the asinine belief that we are better off when the state has a monopoly on force.
     
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    drluggit Well-Known Member

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    I would amend that to suggest that these folks believe that government will be there to protect them, but not the rest of us, and they can then use government to attack folks who don't or won't support their power.
     
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    This is, indeed, the belief of the useful idiot.
    In fact, the useful idiots are simply tools for those who seek power to obtain it -- one obtained, they are as likely to go against the wall as anyone.
     
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    Yup. As history has shown in abundance.
     
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    because they worry they are too incompetent to exercise them
     
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    You're missing the DGUs. Why did you exclude those I wonder?
     
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    Ooh! Ooh! I know!! I know!!
     
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    holygrail.wise.jpg
     
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    Why is it you all insist on posting false information?...

    "Overall, including this new provisional data for 2022, gun deaths are up 21% since 2019. The gun homicide rate decreased 6.8% in 2022, with 1,366 fewer gun homicides in 2021. Even with this decrease, 19,592 people were killed by a gun in 2022..."

    https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2023/c... new provisional,gun homicide rate since 1995.

    That figure comes out to 53 people per day.
     
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    =hence my signature
     
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    But was it violence due to a gun, or a murder that just happened to be committed with a gun?
    You would have to break that down, and examine those types in crimes in more detail with an attempt to categorize them.

    Also, I suspect about 1 in 4 of those victims were themselves criminals or gang members who also went around with a gun.

    Likely true, but are random bystanders in a crowd more likely to escape harm when one of them has a gun?

    Not to mention future crimes (including possible future shootings) that could be prevented if a robber is stopped.
     
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    I'm willing to believe this is true, but could a big part of that be because people who live in bad neighborhoods are more likely to have a gun for protection?

    Not to mention the obvious fact that households with a bad person living in them are very likely already going to have a gun.

    That statistic might not necessarily apply to ordinary people.

    As they say, correlation does not necessarily imply a particular direction of causation.
     
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    For example, homes where a woman lives might be 15 times more likely to have domestic abuse going on there than homes where an adult woman does not live. Surely you would not argue that means normal people should think twice before having a woman live in their house.
     
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    That's an individual decision people can make. Usually suicide does not just come upon suddenly completely out of the blue.

    Ironically the Left seems to be very supporting of euthanasia, even when done for rather questionable medical reasons.
     
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    I suspect more than half live in areas or circumstances where they don't need to store their guns "safely", whatever that means.

    Yes, if they live in a high crime neighborhood or there may be smaller (or behaviorally challenged) children in the home, it is definitely important to take safety measures.
    What is "safe" and "responsible" depends on the situation.
    Leaving rifles in the back of an open pickup truck in the parking lot of an all-white Mormon middle school in rural Utah would be a very different thing from doing that at an "underprivileged" school in Los Angeles.
     
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    I wonder if it's at all theoretically possible to be able to set up some sort of study to see what those people would do if they didn't have access to a firearm from their own or a friend's home.

    Just an interesting thought, provocative question.

    Someone who would kill lots of random people, do you imagine that not having easy access to a gun prevents them from carrying out murder? I mean from ever carrying out murder.
     

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