Disturbing facts about guns

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Galileo, Oct 18, 2023.

  1. Reality

    Reality Well-Known Member

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    What I have emphasized is you approaching honesty. Keep trying.

    Per the studies its not ridiculous and per the NAACP it isn't either and sad instances still occur in the modern day.
    Instances whose frequency, per the science, will increase if you get what you want.

    I'm not a conservative, so IDK what that is getting at. We are in a post racial society just as soon as we ditch affirmative action, a literal discrimination under the law based on race.
    If you change things, we can backslide. Altering black gun ownership (see studies) will do that.
     
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    Honesty is that it was a misunderstanding that was mostly my fault. But I was not lying that I truly thought you were talking about rape and truly hoping you had studies about it.
     
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    the sad thing is-public safety is just a facade for leftwing gun banners. this is proven because they ignore far more valid ways of increasing public safety instead of banning guns-and the guns they want to ban are used in less than one percent of the murders. Approximately 74K people died of fentanyl overdoses in the USA in 2022. That is many times more the numbers of people murdered with all types of firearms and more than have been killed with AR 15s in US Murders since that firearm was introduced on the USA Market approximately 60 years ago
     
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  4. Galileo

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    Sure, backtrack and "clarify" that you were only talking about one post in the discussion. Bias? Look at your own your posting history for that.
     
  5. Galileo

    Galileo Well-Known Member

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    Japan has a culture that encourages suicide even to the extent of viewing it as honorable. Life insurance companies there often don't deny claims if the insured committed suicide. So the comparison is of limited value.
     
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    so what-gun bans don't stop suicides. and there is no punishment that deters a suicide. so complaining about suicides has almost zero value in the arsenal of the gun banning movement. whatever happened to YOUR BODY YOUR CHOICE that left-wingers constantly repeat ??
     
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  7. Galileo

    Galileo Well-Known Member

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    Who's ignoring heart disease and diabetes?
     
  8. Galileo

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    Someone who is feeling murderous is more likely to succeed at committing murder if they have a gun. A suicidal person is more likely to succeed at committing suicide if they have a gun. Guns make already existing problems worse. It's like adding gasoline to an already existing fire. So I think gun bans can stop some suicides. You should check out the public health literature on this topic.
     
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    someone who wants to kill themselves is not a valid reason to restrict everyone else's constitutional rights. and you cannot disprove my statement. Constitutional rights are more important than preventing the few people who would fail if they didn't have a gun.
     
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    Human life matters.

    "Now, think of this, too: That when you have the First Amendment, or some of the other amendments, there’s always a big area where it's free speech versus a whole lot of things, but not often free speech versus life. When it's free speech versus life, we very often decide in favor of life. Here every case will be on one side guns, on the other side human life. Statistics, balancing life versus guns."
    - Supreme Court Justice Breyer
     
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    yeah it does but not so much that we jettison our constitutional rights or even our conveniences. Example. if we strictly enforced a 30 MPH speed limit on every street in the USA, traffic fatalities would decrease substantially. If we banned high school sports, we would cut down on deaths. If we could actually ban alcohol even more. Breyer is a twit on guns. And he didn't even believe that steaming bullshit he posted because he is all in favor of armed guards protecting people like him. It's a false dichotomy too.
     
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    Anybody that moans about guns.
     
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    What gun bans are Constitutional?

    What gun ban would reduce suicide?
     
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    Is that why Nazis still have the right to spew their vitriol?
     
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    "No"
    - 2nd Amendment
     
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    Why does his opinion matter more than the holdings of the USSC?
     
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    Disarming the public only promotes violent crime.

    “As few as one in six crimes involving a knife, including murders, rapes and grievous bodily harm, are being solved by police as the number of offences hits a record high in parts of England and Wales…”
    TELEGRAPH, Knife crime hits record high as one in six cases solved in London, Telegraph analysis reveals shocking scale of crime as experts warn criminals are being ‘emboldened’ by declining prosecution rates, By Charles Hymas, HOME AFFAIRS EDITOR ;Ben Butcher, DATA JOURNALIST and Will Bolton, 1 October 2022 • 8:00pm.
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...hits-record-high-one-six-cases-solved-london/

    https://www.euronews.com › 2023 › 04 › 20 › violence-is-like-a-virus-why-are-so-many-british-kids-stabbing-each-other
    Stabbings are spreading 'like a virus' in Britain. Why?


    Apr 20, 2023Knife crime has lept by more than 34% over the last decade in England and Wales, according to data. Stabbing is a big problem in Britain. With children as young as 12 getting stabbed in brutal ...
    https://www.euronews.com/2023/04/20...-are-so-many-british-kids-stabbing-each-other
     
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    Tell that to Jews in Germany, Armenians in Turkey, Bosnians in former Yugoslavia, Guatemalans in the 1980s, Croatians by the Ustase, Greek Genocides, etc.
    Governments have killed more of their own people in the 20th century than civilians could every begin to by simple possession of firearms. If anything Civilized Society's should have individual ownership.
     
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  20. Galileo

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    You ready to shoot down F-16s with your Glock?
     
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    Best you can do?
    Sad,.
     
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    yet Democrats claimed guys armed with flag poles and fire extinguishers could topple the US Government
     
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    If an F-16 is the ultimate weapon , why would an F-16 pilot carry a 9mm handgun? To shoot down Migs?

    How many fighter aircraft in WW2 were shot down with sidearms? Not zero, but not many.

    How is your comment relevant?
     
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    You don't shoot the F16 with the Glock.
     
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    Well not normally. I suppose in an act of sabotage it would be quite effective to unload a mag into the cockpit.

    That’s what these clowns don’t understand. If winning any military conflict depended on these nuts they would lose every time. They have no understanding of the value of each weapon platform in conventional warfare, let alone unconventional warfare.
     
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