Do we NEED more people?

As of April 12, 2016, the United States has a total resident population of 323,341,000, making it the third most populous country in the world. It is very urbanized, with 81% residing in cities and suburbs as of 2014 (the worldwide urban rate is 54%).

Obviously we don't need more people, yet immigration is still considered sacred.

 

The US is 179 out of 240 or so countries in population density. Not a list you want to be on top of the charts for anyway, but density is a better way to measure population issues than straight numbers. The US is a geographically big country with a relatively small amount of uninhabitable area.

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_density

Hope the link works, but if not just search 'population density by country'

 

Look at a topographical map before saying a small amount uninhabitable. We have a huge chunk throughout the west to mid west. Anyways, it's not about having space , it's about having resources to take care of everyone. So far , we are 19 trillion in debt taking care of ourselves... so that should give you an idea on how we are doing.

 

I don't necessarily disagree with you point by point. Its how the points are strung together that I sometimes find misleading.

Which is why I don't engage in long political arguments, everyone moves from one perspective to another to prove their ideology, regardless of the fact the perspectives often contradict each other.

On a forum board it just turns into static noise.

 

The first point argued against land how much land is actually habitable. The second point was to say that at the end of the day, its irrelevant. Resources determine how many people can fit into a country. The 3rd point was to show that so far, our resources that have gone to taking care of our population has left us with the largest total debt in the world.

 

No we don't. We need to chill on the immigration until this country can wipe its own ass. Our school system sucks, we have a ton of people under the poverty line, and jobs aren't exactly there.

For once this country needs to start caring for the own, instead of taking in more poor and unskilled workers we can't pay for.

 

We need more people! A good referendum needs them to make it perfect as it is! A virtual referendum on the net to choose an american senator of global measure and voted from all the globe is a necessity now that we are at the gates of pacifism or naturalism or extinction!

 

The US has the most arable land of any country in the world. We are have the most land that can be cultivated or developed for housing. Our desert is nothing compared to the other unlivable areas in other large countries. We are not overpopulated, not that I want us to be.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_use_statistics_by_country

Land itself is a resource, and arable land is the most valuable.

The idea that more people means more debt is unproven. As long as the people coming in are capable of providing labor or services.

 

We do not need anymore people. Especially terrorists that Obama loves so much. He arms them in Syria and brings their friends over here. What a world we live in.

 

Personally, I think the more dark skinned Catholics, the better. I guess I'm fortunate that they agree with me. But that's just me.

 

I have always thought that this should be the central question we ask ourselves rather than which immigrants are coming. This is a central issue to everyone in California. It is not about illegals, it is about the carrying capacity of the land, the economy and maintaining a certain lifestyle. I always ask this simple question when discussing this issue. Is our life better now with 37 million people than it was in the 70s with 18 million people? The follow up in case someone says that it is and that it is linked to population is, then will it be better at 40 million? 50 million? At some point we reach a number that cannot provide the type of lives we all want. In essence, this is the Sierra Clubs argument against illegal immigration.

 

You have to take into account infrastructure, which is completely absent in these vast areas. Irrigation , roads, electricity, etc...

We don't need labor , and all of our services are being met. It's no surprise that as our population has grown, so has the # of people drawing welfare and other resources. We aren't lacking a labor force.
Finally, their is a reason that every country at least tries to control it's population and immigration...I'll let you figure that out?

 

It depends on what you desire the future to be. Reproduction rates are starting to trend toward less than 1 child per couple but for immigrants. That is fine and dandy as long as you are willing to accept a future in which the economy declines because of the inability to meet the labor requirements for expanded production. The choice is no immigrants and a declining economy inside 2 generations or more immigrants and a growing economy that is is capable of servicing debt and off-budget liabilities without massive tax increases.

 

You want us building immigrant high density housing complexes in our national parks?

 

Only if we plan on a soylent green program

 

We issue anywhere from 6 to 9 million non-immigrant visas every year.

https://travel.state.gov/content/da...Y2014AnnualReport/FY14AnnualReport-TableI.pdf
(hope that comes through, I had to weed through a serious load of political BS to find it)

Many of those are temporary work visas. Why are we doing this if we don't need the labor?

I'm not against us policing our borders. But the issue of illegal immigration is at least partly due to our needing labor from other countries and then that labor outstaying their legal time limit.

 

better aqueducts, better roads, and more well regulated militia. that is what we always need.

 

The issued visas are for high level jobs , educated jobs
. It's also policy and meeting quotas. I would be fine with enlarging our population with educated people , but at the end of the day that isn't what usually happens..

 

Do we really need wars on crime, drugs, and terror? We could be building entire, new cities from scratch, instead.

 

You've never driven through the Southeast or Southwest then. There is plenty of unused farm land in the Southeast, and plenty of just unused space in both places.

 

There are plenty of places in the Southeast that are very inhabitable and have plenty of room. In many rural counties, the population is actually lower today than it was 50 or 60 years ago. We still have plenty of farmland and living land for double our population (if we don't worry about feeding the rest of the world).

 

1. Apparently, you have not studied that topographical map. When you have Reno, Las Vegas, Phoenix, and even a little town called Cal-Nev-Ari being able to be sustained in that desert in the Midwest and West, you might want to think again. Or we could look at the Rockies, the vast plains in Montana, ND, SD, or even in northern Idaho. It may not be for anybody, but it is habitable.
2. yes, it is about resources. However, when you build out, not up, you waste more resources. If you build up, you are able to maximize your resources with greater efficiency.
3. It is not really 19 trillion, but more like 12 trillion. One should only look at the public held debt, both with the Treasury and by other entities and individuals. The 6 trillion "IOUS" is not really debt. It is like owing your wife money that you took from your joint bank account. Anyway, immigrants are not the ones who are using the welfare money that this country dolls out. That is found in places like Eastern Kentucky, rural West Virginia, or in the urban centers of our metropolitan areas by US citizens.

 

About 40% of the 11 million illegal aliens living in the US came here through legal means. Which means at one point they had valid documents allowing them to be here. So we have 6 to 7 million illegal aliens in the US who got here by illegally crossing the border.

About 4 million of those came from Mexico.

Considering the entire population of the US this hardly seems like a population explosion.

 

I believe we should be advancing fusion (an energy with a future) to desalinate ocean water; then, with more well regulated militia building better aqueducts and better roads; we could send water to wherever it may be needed.

 

Non immigrant visas are not just for "high level jobs." They can range from the D visa, which is used for crewmembers, like flight attendants or pilots, to athletes, to the myriad of work related visas such as H, O, P, or TN visas, to the student visas like F or J, and a few others. This link shows the types of nonimmigrant visas.

For those who are educated or not educated, it has been my experience that many of the less educated come under the immigrant visas, especially family reunification visas for parents, spouses, children, etc, not the nonimmigrant visas with the exception of H2B visas.

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Immigrants are the future of this country, not the destruction.