Do we owe God obedience because God created us?

And, how does anyone alive know what happens when we die?

I get why the concept of a Higher Power is comforting, but there's no logical explanation for how an allegedly all-powerful, omniscient and omnipotent creator wouldn't know that making people look different would lead to centuries of hate. Further, whatever anyone believes about a Higher Power and what that means is predominantly only related to where someone is born and raised. That's it. We were brought in the world and told some crazy stories and had to put on nice clothes and go listen to somebody talk about the fairy tales in the contradictory book. That's the total thing.

So, unless somebody alive, who is certifiably sane and provide photos or videos or kidnap another being from the *afterlife* all it is is another way to socialize with people and there is nothing wrong with that. People are free to socialize however they want.

 

RE: Do we owe God obedience because God created us?
SUBTOPIC: Question in Reasoning
※→ WillReadmore, et al,

INTRO: This entire business of the Supreme Being's "need" for what need does the Supreme Being have for homage, praise and subserience from its mortal creations raises the level mortals have in the understanding of the Supreme Being... When an entity identifies in itself as the ultimate power in the universe, then what are its needs if it is already:

◈ Omnipotence

◈ Omniscience

◈ Omnipresence​

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When we say that the Supreme Being is the ultimate power (all-powerful, all-knowing, and everywhere in space and time) THEN what need from mere mortals does such a being have from its lesser creations that the Supreme Being does not already have? If the Supreme Being needs something, are we saying that:

◈ There are limits to the ultimate power?

◈ The mortal can influence the Supreme Being?

◈ The Supreme Being has human personality characteristics?​

The center of the questioning is whether or not the human interpretation and envision of the ultimate power is valid IF and only IF it is impossible for the Supreme Being has no wants and needs. There cannot be a source or service in the universe that can uniquely provided the Supreme Being that which it can create through the Devine Will (that which cannot already provide for itself). In fact, the mortal must reconsider the definition of the Supreme Being that has any kind of wants and needs. Those are human characteristics.

The question is, why does the Supreme Being need offspring (as son at all)? Let alone the need to sacrifice the offspring...
The Ultimate Power needs no justification → the need to explain the reason for its action.

Just My Thoughts!

Most Respectfully,
R

 

Yes! Flying Spaghetti Monster created this world while being drunk, this explain why the perfect God created such imperfect world. Good people will go to paradise where volcanoes spill cold beer and beautiful strippers will do everything to make us happy. Bad people will go to hell. Hell looks like paradise, but volcanoes spill stale beer and stripper have STD.
Repent if you want to go paradise!
R'amen to all Pastafarians!

 

Aside from the obvious assumption (that there is ‘a creator god) there are a host of other assumptions that made or implied that are in the mind of the OP author but not necessarily universally shared among those being queried, but would need clarification to adequately answer the central question. One fundamental question is what does ‘’obey’ mean? Obey what? And, why?

 

That makes sense.

My response was a limited answer to the question of the justification for God's sacrifice of his son. For that, I think one simply needs to accept the answer in the Bible.

There are lots of other questions not answered in the bible, such as god's other activities - what he did before he created this universe. The existence of this universe, especially the lifetime of Earth, is zero when compared to God's infinity.

This universe doesn't seem like it could possibly be a solution to any issue god might have faced. We're left with the unanswerable "why".

 

RE: Do we owe God obedience because God created us?
SUBTOPIC: Question in Reasoning
※→ WillReadmore, et al,

I do not wish to challenge anyone's beliefs; but as it stands now, anything thing having to do with the Supreme Being falls in the realm of metaphysics. And that would include the "Septuagint," the "Vulgate", or the Bible. There are other suspect documents related to other facets of the Abrahamic Religions.

But it has to be understood that there are many different views to the various aspects of "unimpeachable faith."

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When one says something to the effect that the answers are to be found in the "Bible," my mind just immediately flashes to the thumbnail thoughts generated out of the Council of Nicaea (and Ephesus and Chalcedon). But no matter what you might think of the Nicaea products, almost all follow on it is very hard to get around the need to scrupulously adhere to the creed and doctrine of those councils. Anything new must in some way, have a derivative link → showing that the new thought is actually remaining loyal and steadfast to → Nicaea. We see this as a form of fidelity to the creed, yet not dogmatic in the sense that it cannot be flexible and malleable when needed.

Thus, what was included in the first Bible, is not necessarily recognizable as a derivative of Nicaea.

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I absolutely understand where you are going with this (and agree) that the probability of discovery is small. But the vastness of the universe (and its expansion) almost guarantees other sentient beings. There are ≈ 2T galaxies within our range of detection (presumably farther out, but the light has not made it here yet). Hell, it would take disruptive interference from a divine entity just to keep other sentient beings from developing.

The Drake Equation
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Well, I agree, the Bible is not a valid source document. The Bible speaks of angles Ezekiel 10:20, a supernatural entity. The devil is also a supernatural being from the Bible 1 John 3:8 ESV. What do you say about a person that sees supernatural beings?

AH, before someone bites my head off, the statement is said to be "valid if and only if it takes a form that makes it impossible for the premises to be true." But we have no actual description to know if the premise is TRUE. That makes the idea of a divine entity both "invalid" and thus "unsound."


Most Respectfully,
R