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So what is the labor rate for the one doing the cooking?

 

This topic started out on intelligence. So I brought up how is intelligence affected in children.
And someone correctly stated, nutrition in meals is a big factor in how kids intelligence can be affected.

So, not having access to fresh grown food products is indeed a national issue if we want to have a healthy intelligent populace.

And not having fresh markets in communities should be a concern to the cities.

 

This whole line of topic started with the intelligence of kids. What helps with intelligence.
And nutrition in meals was the big factor and started this whole subtopic of fresh food home cooked vs the frozen type convenience meals.

As most poor people opt for the fast frozen types and that leads to less intelligence.

So there is no outrage. Except perhaps in your thinking.

 

A PF member said this:

In your opinion, is the 2 mile radius for a grocery store a good qualification for what constitutes a food desert? Will this two mile distance prevent a parent from feeding his children? If two miles is too far, that parent should not have had kids in the first place - apparently that person can't even successfully feed himself, much less his children. Crying that the closest grocery store is two miles away is abject nonsense. I never envisioned that Americans would see themselves as being completely helpless like this. Surely even you must admit that the entitlement mentality has gone off the rails?

But, I suppose we could hold a gun to productive taxpayers heads and force them to deliver apples and green beans directly to these entitled people's front door. Of course, that raises the question, is that entitled person going to deliver apples and green beans to MY front door? Or do the entitled people have no obligation to contribute to the system?

 

That's their decision. They're apparently saving money because their labor isn't worth enough in the market to justify substituting the cost of convenience foods for it. So they're cooking instead of wasting the same amount of time using social media, watching TV, playing computer games, hanging out with other idle people, or getting into trouble.

 

Sure, in urban areas, many poor people don't have transportation. It's pretty hard to shop if one needs to carry their weeks worth of groceries on a bus. And likely buy convenience items that won't rot on the way home.
So, yes there should be small fresh food markets less than 2 miles away.
If we want a healthy intelligent citizenry. Via nutritious meals.

 

There in is the reason for the convenience items.
Easy to buy.
Easy to make.
Easy to store, has long shelf life.

Not to mention, it isn't really taught on how to make made from scratch meals anymore. It's a lost art.

 

It's NOT cheap, not at all. You already know this, so you can stop trying to make it about something other than laziness.

 

What does your logical adult mind tell you about adding complex processing, packaging, cold storage, AND profit .. to raw ingredients? In this universe, subject to cause and effect as it is, that can only go one way. And no .... the bulk purchasing power of food manufacturers doesn't reach the consumer anywhere near enough to offset those added costs.

It's called CONVENIENCE food for a reason. Conveniences in this universe, are a luxury.

 

You can't make people take their health seriously.

 

What you're refusing to address is that the $1 burrito will have almost no actual beef, and will be full of sodium and chemicals. $5 of ground beef will probably make 20 burritos (were you to use the same amount of actual beef as the bought ones) and won't be laden with sodium and chemicals.

 

I've lived almost all my life no closer to a supermarket than about 5km. And much of that has been 20km+ from the nearest of ANY kind of food store.

 

We're talking about cities, where people often don't even have cars or need them. If you want to live out in the backward and uncivilized areas (aka the "country") you have to learn to live with the inconvenience

 

I know, how can you STAND them?

 

You're making city life seem backward and uncivilized. Apparently there are a lot of inconveniences and declining living standards associated with city life. I prefer a much superior lifestyle that the suburbs provides.

 

That's just silly, Edna. I know of plenty of Asian and other migrant families who live in these types of areas, and aren't eating that processed crap. They all do the food shopping together (the whole family) by bus/train or whatever, so they can carry back all of those vegetables etc.

 

Your Asian neighbours aren't fat and unhealthy.

This is personal choice stuff, Edna. Govt can't make people want to cook from scratch.

 

It's a way to explain the preference for 'easy'. And yes, it's ridiculous.

When I worked with Indo-Chinese refugees in the 80's (mental health stuff), they showed what's possible in poor urban areas, on very little money. They'd squeeze two families into a two bed one bath apartment, and travel miles on foot and/or public transport to find the cheap and healthy ingredients they preferred. They lived on rice, boiler chickens (very cheap to buy, pressure cooked, then used as for regular chicken), and loads of fresh vegetables. They were all skinny as heck, and very fit and active .. given all the walking and bus/train catching they did!

 

We're still waiting for someone to tell us.

 

Complaining about a two mile walk is insane. We walked that far to school when we were kids (no buses where we lived, and if your family was rich enough to own a car, Dad took it to work). Probably further, since it did actually take 45 minutes

 

Fresh fruit and vegetables are available pretty much everywhere in the 21stC First World. Furthermore, city people have access to the most, and country people have access to the least - given the much lower frequency of supermarkets and other food stores in rural areas.

People avoid fruit and vegetables by CHOICE, not compulsion.

 

Brilliant post. Thank you !

 

Oh please, DA. My kids learned to cook rice & veg before they were 12 years old, and it took all of 30 minutes to teach them.

Adults can work out how to cook, FFS. You're desperate now, suggesting that cooking rice & veg is neurosurgery - and that's why full grown functional adults can't do it. They can work out how to use a thousand different complex technologies, hold down jobs, drive cars, do their taxes etc .. but can't cook? Time for some honesty.

 

And yet you're saying they do need cars. Make up your mind.

 

Theft and looting? Despite your stereotypical assumptions that's not it. I live in a large city and we had, for years, a family owned chain of small groceries that served the poor neighborhoods until dollar stores appeared everywhere and their profit margin became unsustainable and they closed. The city has not been able to lure any more grocery stores to open because of estimated poor profit margins.

Or maybe you should do your own research on the issue.

I suppose you have an issue with the government protecting you and yours from pollution, tainted food and other public health hazards. Part of good government is protecting its citizens from harm. Most people will take care of themselves if they have the means and knowledge to do it. Take one of those away and it won't happen.

Asians have not adopted a western diet. Every indigenous people that has, which includes Africans, aborigines, Inuits, Native Americans, Pacific islanders, now suffer severely from the "white man's diseases", that is obesity, hypertension, diabetes and heart disease.