Does a woman's right to sex outweigh the right of a fetus?

A woman is held against her will at a luxury spa, which is situated in a remote area, for a whole year. Actually things are very nice there. Other women are also there. But there are no men.

There just happens to be a fetus growing inside a tank on the premises, sustained with an artificial life support mechanism. That fetus will eventually grow into a baby. (Let's suppose that fetus is at 15 weeks gestation, if you want additional detail)

The woman is told if she takes a sledgehammer and smashes the tank, a very attractive man will be brought to her for her to have sex with.

Do you believe such a woman would have the right to end the fetus's life so she can have sex?

 

I honest to god have no idea what you are even trying to prove with this thought experiment other than the fact sexism is alive and well. Women have abortions for lord of different reasons. Reducing it to sex is blatantly wrong and horribly sexist.

 

It's basically looking at the issue of Abortion if we took pregnancy out of the picture. Would it still be right.
Or is pregnancy a critical factor that is required to justify abortion.

There is a obviously a very clear parallel between this hypothetical and the arguments that I see all the time in this forum used to justify abortion.
So I just wanted to focus on those arguments.

 

I believe, ones religious beliefs should not be used to force others to give birth if they choose not to

a fetus in a tank would not be her choice, as it's not her body

but if there was 1000 clones of Hitler found in a lab in petri dishes, would it be murder to flush the petri dishes

should it be required by law that all those clones be born via that artificial method you describe?

I think you're starting to see the flaw in your thought experiment

 

Your thought experiment relies on “women have abortions because they want to have sex” as it’s premise. I’m not going to engage with a thought experiment so blatantly wrong. That’s not even remotely based in reality. You need to pick better thought experiments.

 

I see, so you believe pregnancy and giving birth is the critical factor, otherwise abortion would be ethically wrong, in your view.

 

Other pro-choicers here have used that argument, either indirectly or directly.


Threads like this one: "Should Women Who NEVER Want Children Remain Abstinent Forever?"
Or comments like "birth control is not 100% effective"

 

Im sure they have.

 

Abortion is the termination of a pregnancy. If you take pregnancy out of the picture, you're not talking about abortion any more.

 

NO, they haven't.

Just like your contention that Pro-Choicers base their argument on rape you have no PROOF of that allegation.

That was a question denoted by the question mark at the end...

That's what's known as a FACT....

 

Been watching Sci-Fy again to try to find an argument ?

 

I think the point of the hypothetical was that women don't have to have a pregnancy if they don't want to. Just like the woman in that story.

The woman in that story had to choose between not have sex, and kill a fetus.

What do women in real life have to choose between? What is a woman actually choosing between if she KNOWS she's probably going to terminate her fetus if she gets pregnant?

 

WHY TF are you still asking what a woman has to choose between????


Women choose between gestation and abortion.....haven't you figured that out aftyer all your years in the Abortion Forum ???????????????????????????

 

In case you didn't figure it out, FoxHastings, we're talking about her choice before that point.

For a Pro-Lifer, it's a no-brainer. If you get pregnant, you're going to have a baby.
For many Pro-Choice women, they also know what sex will likely end up meaning.

If it was really true the woman knew she was going to have an abortion, and that she had the "right" not to have to go through with a pregnancy that was started, and she is opposed to the idea of a pregnancy so bad that she would choose to abort it... then she really should not be having sex.
She is like the woman in this story. She is choosing to smash that fetus to bits to have sex.

True, in real life it is future fetus that does not exist yet. But it is the same choice, same outcome.

(And by the way she can totally still have sex, just not the type that might lead to a baby. Unless of course she's open and willing to give life in the event things don't go the way she wants them to)

You can't just complain "I'm pregnant now! I shouldn't have to have this pregnancy!" Because you had a choice - a choice before then.

If you support the woman aborting because she has the right to have sex, then you're really just like the woman in this story.
The fact the fetus was not growing in a womb is irrelevant.

If you bother to use a little logic, I think you'll see that's obvious.

You say a woman has the right to abort because she doesn't want it growing inside her womb, but how did it get to that point in the first place?
She was in the position of this woman in the story.

"I want sex, so I'm going to kill a fetus"

 

nope, never said that, I said, it's the women's body, that is why she gets to decide if she wants to risk life and limb to have a baby

 

Peyote is a heck of a ride. Safety first!

 

So why TF is it in the abortion forum?

SAYS WHO ??? YOU?!!!!LOL, gasp, LOL YOU? !!!!

 

You're not able to make the connection between sex and conception?

Okay then .. well that certainly establishes your unsuitability to discuss anything at all relating to human procreation.

 

So all those women who knew they didn't want a pregnancy, were forced to have sex? Is that what you're saying?

 

Bingo!

 

The choice in question is made BEFORE conception.

 

But do you realize how that argument here is illogical?

(If not, please reread all the posts, and please use your brain to think about things a little bit)

 

Perhaps the very notion that they should ever have to adjust their lifestyle is blasphemy to them.

 

I think it's you that needs to re-read my posts

 

how about you decide for yourself, they decide for themselves