Does Being A Christian or Religious Give You A Monopoly On Wisdom & Discernment????

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  1. resisting arrest

    resisting arrest Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Here is Christian leading-light Dr. William Bennett in April about the Covid-19 virus.
    Suffice it to say, I don't see much wisdom or discernment here--- just a lot of foolishness.


     
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    Christianity is religion. Religion is self delusion. Religious people can nonetheless be quite wise, despite this self delusion, but never because of it.
     
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    I don't understand your OP.
    I listened to the entire video.
    Dr. Bennett did not mention God, the Bible, Christianity,
    or religion even one time.
    Also I heard no "foolishness" -- the whole point of the
    video was that Bennet thought America had over-reacted
    to the COVID-19 virus -- and ought to get back to work.
    You may disagree with that, but what he said was not
    absurd or foolish.

    I challenge you to read this article linked below, which
    makes the same point that Dr. Bennett made only 1000
    times better than what Dr. Bennett said.

    Four Months of Unprecedented Government Malfeasance
    May/June 2020

    https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/four-months-unprecedented-government-malfeasance/

    Start quote.
    "Over the last four months, Americans have lived through
    what is arguably the most consequential period of
    government malfeasance in U.S. history. Public officials’
    overreaction to the novel coronavirus put American
    cities into a coma; those same officials’ passivity in
    the face of widespread rioting threatens to deliver
    the coup de grâce. Together, these back-to-back
    governmental failures will transform the American
    polity and cripple urban life for decades."
    End quote.

    That article was written by , , ,

    "Heather Mac Donald is the Thomas W. Smith Fellow at the Manhattan
    Institute and a contributing editor of City Journal. She earned a B.A. from Yale
    University, an M.A. in English from Cambridge University, and a J.D. from
    Stanford Law School. She writes for several newspapers and periodicals,
    including The Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, The New Criterion,
    and Public Interest, and is the author of four books, including The War on
    Cops: How The New Attack on Law and Order Makes Everyone Less Safe

    and The Diversity Delusion: How Race and Gender Pandering Corrupt the
    University and Undermine Our Culture
    ."
    End quote

    So it is worth a careful read.

    Best.

    JAG

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    that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day
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    resisting arrest Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You are spewing vitriol and garbage. Dr. Bennett is a Christian and he wants to cram Christianity down our throats and have kids pray in school and study the Bible in a classroom setting. And I don't mean study the Bible as literature which any reasonable person can not object to, but to study the Bible as a religious text. He wants all of us to become Christian because he believes we will act morally and we will have great wisdom and genius if we do so. He supported the Iraq invasion in 2003 and he is a warmongering fool. Anyone who listens to this garbage should have his head examined.

    Bible Verse For Today:

    There she lusted after her lovers, whose penises were like those of donkeys and whose semen was like that of horses.

    Ezekiel 23:20
     
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    I didn't hear him use religion for his reasoning. Why do you mention he is a Christian? In fact, I don't know if he is or not based on this video. Even though the virus is killing more than he stated, the Washington study also said that there would be 2.5 million that would die from this in America and that hasn't happened throughout the total world. He's correct about how many get the virus and die from it. To date, 40% of those who die are senior citizens with comorbidities. Yet, no media site is blaming Governor Cuomo for forcing COVID19 patience to live in nursing homes and infect those seniors. Even Cuomo won't admit this yet we all know he did it. He sentenced thousands to death by doing so. And, the media and Cuomo are atheists. The opium of the living dead.
     
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    You are entitled to your opinions but not the facts. Atheistism is the opium of the living dead.
     
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    It has always been falsely assumed that deeply religious means wise just as nowadays it is assumed that having an impressive degree means intelligent or -- again -- wise. This is worse for Taoists however since the very nature of their esoteric reading SHRIEKS wisdom . . . if only one could actually make them have concrete meaning . . . which most people can't. I blame the old Kung-Fu television show for that bit of idiocy of equating Taoism or even Budhism . . . to wisdom . . . especially if the studying includes being able to kick someone's head.

    But back to Christianity. Again, no, because rather than religious studies or praying, mostly it takes a life-time of living in the school of hard knocks and the passing of many decades and the committing of countless mistakes and then THINKING about all of that before wisdom begins occuring. It's sort of like the formation process of a pearl.
     
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    The moral of the story is Israel had become polluted and would be destroyed for their wickedness by the Babylonians and Assyrians. This all came to past as well. The Northern kingdom of Israel were carried away (the 10 lost tribes of Israel) assimilated into the gentile nations never to return and were lost. Judah and half of Benjamin were carried away for a time but returned to Jerusalem or the Southern Kingdom of Judah. Both carried away because of their idolatrous wickedness. Definitely something Atheists could learn from but won't because of their idolatry of lovers of theirselves and worldly things.

    Bennett has turned more to Christ in his later years. In 2003, he was mostly political and a follower of the Trump-hating Bush. Yet, you think the endless wars are wrong and yet you followed Obama who continued the endless wars while Trump has ended them. I find that non-believers are extremely mixed up in what they believe.
     
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    Ooooooooh . . . now that is a cool saying! I say this, mind you, as an athiest who practices Catholicism and faithfully recite my rosery. I don't actually have a problem with being an athiest while also practicing religion . . . but then I am strange that way. Still . . . very cool saying. Thanks!
     
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    And what is the Pearl of Great Price? Being Christian doesn't mean you won't have bad things happen to you and make tons of mistakes in your life. On the contrary. Much of that is to our benefit to refine our covenants we make to the Lord. It's how we react and act upon our trials and tribulations that refines our pearl. And, it comes at a great price. Those who take upon them the commandments of Christ and Covenants to make His Atonement work for us learn to handle and deal with tribulation sooner and learn wisdom stronger and better. His Atonement isn't just for the remission of our sins but also all of our tribulations. Give your tribulations as well as your sins to Christ and you won't need a psychiatrist or drugs and alcohol to deal with them.
     
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    What I am saying is that wisdom is not the goal of religious training or doctrine. My uncle was a Roman Catholic priest and although intelligent and earnest in his faith he was not chock-full of sage-like wisdom. On the other hand I know Catholic priests who are the definition of wisdom. In neither case, however, is learning wisdom a mainstay goal of Christianity. It is at most an occsional and happy by product.
     
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    Thank you. I just made it up too. I'm a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. But, I was born Jewish. My father practiced the High Holy Days and we went to Synagogue. But, he believed God wasn't a real being and was just the act of Goodness in the world. So, he's much like you are. More agnostic or Deist?
     
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    I agree with you as long as the person is earnestly practicing his/her faith. The question often is whether a person can project that wisdom to others. That takes practice too. Not everyone can explain things well. It takes time, effort and practice.
     
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    agnostic.
     
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    The answer is, they get very angry when anyone questions that hundreds of thousands have died.

    They want that number to be really high for various reasons.

    Their world view contains no wisdom and very little discernment.

    Everything they believe isn't because they sat down and examined the facts; it's because they want to believe what they are told.

    Ironically, their beliefs are more like a religion than anything this guy said, which as you pointed out, had nothing to do with religion.
     
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    Good points.
    Thanks for your comment.

    Best.

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    Does Being A Christian or Religious Give You A Monopoly On Wisdom & Discernment?
    No. While all religions have elements of truth & wisdom, none can honestly claim to have, or offer, any version of complete wisdom or discernment. Thru repeated interpretations over centuries, every religion has become encumbered with dogmas that strangle anyone's attempt to find truth. Truth is far larger than any religion.
     
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    Exactly! So, what is needed to clarify what has been lost and changed over the 2,000 years since the perfect and complete wisdom and discernment of Christ is a Prophet of Christ to clear up these things. Joseph Smith was Christ's Prophet to being back His Church and truth. And, he did.
     
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    I am familiar with Joseph Smith & many of his teachings, but I submit the most accurate interpretation of Jesus & his message was written by Paramahansa Yogananda, & is called "The Second Coming of Christ: The Resurrection of the Christ Within You (in 2 volumes). This is by far the most impressive work on Jesus & his teachings I've ever seen. I strongly recommend it. :)
     
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    What has this to do with religion? Bennett isn't an expert and he's on Fox which means even less credibility. Fauci is a Catholic and for all you know he's on his knees at mass every Sunday.
     

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