Does the military need right wingers?

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by modernpaladin, Nov 19, 2023.

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Should right wingers be welcome in the military?

  1. I lean left, Trump supporters are extremists and shouldn't be in the military.

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    9.5%
  2. I lean left, Trump supporters are extremists, but we need them in the military.

    2 vote(s)
    9.5%
  3. I lean left, the 'extremist' hyperbole is endangering our national defense.

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  4. I lean right, I feel perfectly welcome in the military.

    6 vote(s)
    28.6%
  5. I lean right, I don't feel like my politics are compatible with the military right now.

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    23.8%
  6. I'm exactly in the dead center of the political spectrum and offended at the lack of options here.

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    23.8%
  1. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Its the result of logic. In 2016, our military was moving toward the following doctrine:
    The Importance of Distance in Modern Warfare - Modern War Institute (westpoint.edu)
    And then Russia invaded Ukraine, and it relatively quickly devolved into attrition-style trench warfare from 100 years ago, that Ukraine is now going to lose due to a lack of trained frontline combatants, despite being provided endless high tech equipment from every corner of the western world.

    As it happened: Conflict settling into 'WW1-style trench warfare' - BBC News
    Ukraine’s war of attrition draws parallels to World War I - The Washington Post
    Ukraine round-up: Is Russia running out of troops? (bbc.com)
    Has Ukraine's counteroffensive against Russia failed? One officer says it was doomed from the start - ABC News

    'Boots on the ground' win and lose wars.

    I have not served in the military.
     
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  2. modernpaladin

    modernpaladin Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That means you don't want Trump supporters in the military, and you wouldn't complain at their lack of joining up, right?
     
  3. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    If you define Trump supporters as insurrectionists and terrorists, no I don't want them in the military and I wouldn't complain if they didn't join up.
     
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    Heartburn Well-Known Member

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    Seriously? You put all Trump supporters in that category?
     
  5. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Nope, reread what I wrote.
     
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    I did
     
  8. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Per the British Army: "Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender (LGBT+) Soldiers serve throughout the Army's corps and regiments playing their part in the country's security."
    What a bunch a poofters

    Okay, then let me walk you through this. I was answering modernpaladins question if I want Trump supporters in the military. I answered if he defined Trump supporters as insurrectionists and terrorists than no. Those people I don't want.
     
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    Nonnie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Poofters in the military everywhere, more so in America.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    And you know that how?
     
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    Thanks for the explanation but I figured it out.
     
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    Vietnamese were as left as you can get, but they didn't look anything like what you think. Likewise, the Soviets were super left, and beat the Germans in East Europe.
     
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    That shows you very little about the military and have never served. Your media claim is just garbage. There is no such thing as suspected active duty military insurrectionists. Military personnel are property of the US Government. You can get an article 15 just for a sunburn. Anyone suspected of participating, engaging, or supporting insurrection or terrorism would be brought before a military tribunal.

    Military personnel are relived of duty with less than honorable discharges just for (what they consider) inappropriate social media post.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    And that shows you know very little about humans. So it is impossible for active duty military to have been there on 1/6 and the other numbers are imaginary (in your world).
     
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    In my world? Would that be my own military service you're attributing to that statement?
    There isn't much in this world thats impossible, maybe 1 single rouge active duty soldier engaging in or supporting insurrection would be highly unlikely, but 78 active duty personnel would be closer to impossible.

    Members of the military are generally held to a higher standard of ethical conduct than civilians. This is because military personnel are expected to adhere to a code of conduct that reflects the values of their profession and the country they serve.

    The Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) is a specialized set of laws outside of any civilian laws and heavier legal standards set forth for members of the US military. All service members of all branches of the Armed Forces must adhere to the UCMJ at all times, and any violations of the UCMJ will lead to severe consequences.

    One of the biggest differences between the military and civilian justice systems is that there are no mistrials and you don't need a unanimous decision for a conviction. That is because the military is one of the few jurisdictions that allows for split verdicts in criminal trials.

    If you drive drunk and kill someone, you will be held accountable by military standards and jailed in a military confinement center. Once you serve your term, you will then be accountable to civilian justice as well.

    So, no. You will need more than some media opinion to convince anyone that 78 active duty soldiers were involved in an insurrection without so much as a military hearing on the matter. The mere accusation would be followed up by a very large and public military investigation.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    So, the report released by the Defense Department inspector general is left-wing propaganda? Got it.
     
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    Fine, then quote the section that claims
    I'll wait
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Table 5
     
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    So from your totals
    68 were cleared for non substantiated by investigation
    2 were court-martial
    and 17 received non judicial punishments under article 15

    So 2 of the claimed 87 investigated were actually guilty.

    Thats what I thought
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Uh, you forgot, conveniently, to include 136 open and pending investigations. I expected you to quibble about the numbers but your point was none of this happens in the military.
    BTW the quote used was "An annual Pentagon report on extremism within the ranks reveals that 78 service members were suspected of advocating for the overthrow of the U.S. government and another 44 were suspected of engaging or supporting terrorism."
     
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    I will be happy to comment on them when they arrive at conclusions.
    I don't participate is leftist ideologies of forming conclusions before the evidence is presented.

    Nope. I stated maybe 1 single rouge active duty soldier engaging in or supporting insurrection would be highly unlikely, but 78 active duty personnel would be closer to impossible.

    Seems I was a lot closer to the truth than you were.

    Which they concluded were mostly unfounded.

    Anything else?
     
  22. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Yes, you were far from proving your point.
    And it was those "left-wing" Pentagon ideologs forming those conclusions.
     
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    If I remember correctly, wasn't it you that stated
    And wasn't it me who posted
    And wasn't their finding that 2 were found guilty?

    Seems the only one far from proving anything is you
     
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    Ancient Spartans were big into gay orgies, and they were also superb fighting force. Not that one thing has anything to do with the other.

    When we have a president calling people in the military "suckers and losers", I don't blame people for not wanting to join.
     
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    78 were suspected and there are 136 open and pending investigations going on, so you are quibbling over nothing but your ego.
    And The 300 had so many oiled abs that I'm sure the gay community would've nominated it for an Oscar.

    Can you imagine what would happen on the right if Biden called dead veterans suckers and losers?
     

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