DOJ opposes making public details in Mar-a-Lago search warrant's probable cause affidavit

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  1. Reality

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    Its certainly enough, charge her right now.

    Which is fine because Trump per the evidence plainly did not have a standing order to declassify anything that left. You want to know a thing about declassification? It makes everything subject to FOIA. Agencies have to KNOW if something has been declassified, legally. So there are entire positions in the government to ensure that when a proper authority gives an order to declassify, that that order is memorialized and followed to the letter. An order like Trump describes would have been reduced to a writing and presented to him for signature. There would be evidence of it.
    There is none.

    Because, and this may shock you, people don't often trust felony suspects when they say "here it all is, there is no more". Brace yourself: People lie to law enforcement all the time.

    Dude many of the swamp things are on Trump's side. He didn't drain any swamp. Open your eyes ffs. And before you start: NO that doesn't make me a hillary supporter, an obama supporter, a biden supporter, or anything else. FFS.
     
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    Trump and the Department of Justice
    By Judge Andrew P. Napolitano
    August 18, 2022 7 min read

    Former President Donald Trump will soon be indicted by a federal grand jury.

    He is the victim of a federal government that knows no bounds and has assumed powers nowhere granted in the Constitution by the sheer force of its own will. It has created a security state, replete with three lettered acronymic-named agencies — FBI, CIA, DEA, NSA, DIA — that are nowhere recognized in the Constitution, regularly break the written and moral laws, and are themselves far more dangerous to human freedom than the folks they pursue.

    How many laws have the feds broken? Ha. No one knows how many criminal laws Congress has enacted. Estimates range from 4,400 to 5,500. How can this be? For starters, members of Congress in both parties rarely if ever read the legislation they enact. House members were given 15 minutes to read the 132-page Patriot Act, which passed overwhelmingly. And much federal law is so convoluted that a simple reading leaves even an experienced lawyer and judge bewildered as to how many different behaviors were made criminal by the statute in question.

    Yet, nearly all federal criminal laws — including those now confronting Trump — are wildly unconstitutional. That's so because the Constitution only authorizes the feds to enact criminal statutes in two areas — criminalizing treason and debasement of the money supply. All remaining criminal laws — those that are intended to protect life, liberty and property, even those intended to protect government assets — were intended by the drafters of the Constitution to be addressed by the states.

    The search warrant of Trump's home could only have followed the submission of one or more detailed affidavits by FBI agents explaining to the federal judge who received them that the Department of Justice has evidence to conclude that it is more likely than not that a crime was committed by someone in connection with the acquisition and retention of government documents, and it is more likely than not that evidence of that crime was located inside Trump's home.


    The affidavits are normally filled with much detail, and they explain and justify what the DOJ believes and why it believes it. The judge must agree with the DOJ's conclusions in order to sign the warrant.

    The signing of the warrant was also preceded by a stenographically recorded interrogation of the FBI agents by the judge. It would have centered on not only what the FBI believes Trump was concealing but also how it knows that.

    We now know that Trump took many documents with him to Florida when he left the White House. He returned 15 boxes of them to the National Archives. When he failed to satisfy the Archives with the documents that he returned, the Archives called in the DOJ, which empaneled a grand jury to hear evidence of potential criminal behavior.


    The grand jury subpoenaed the documents remaining at Trump's home, and Trump's lawyers met with DOJ lawyers to discuss compliance with the subpoena. After that meeting and the surrender of more documents, one of Trump's lawyers wrote to the DOJ and assured its lawyers that there were no documents subject to the subpoena remaining in Trump's home.

    Thereafter, the FBI learned from a confidential source that there were documents marked "Top Secret" remaining in the home and thus subject to the subpoena. We learned from the inventory of documents that the FBI took that Trump's lawyer's representation of full compliance with the subpoena was inaccurate.

    This is critical as, if the lawyer intentionally misled the DOJ, then that lawyer will become a defendant and cannot represent Trump. If Trump intentionally misled his own lawyer and caused the lawyer to make a material misrepresentation to the DOJ, the lawyer must resign as Trump's counsel, as that lawyer will become a witness. Since the matter involves deception, the attorney-client privilege does not apply.


    The warrant itself reveals three categories of crimes that the DOJ told the judge it is investigating. They are (a) gathering and transmitting national security secrets, and (b) concealing and removing national security secrets, and (c) destroying or altering national security secrets.

    All of these statutory crimes are contained in the Espionage Act of 1917, which Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., has rightly moved to repeal. It punishes speech, reading and dissent. Trump himself, in a misguided moment, once offered it as a basis for executing Edward Snowden. In another misguided moment, when Trump announced that his home had been the subject of the execution of the warrant, he also announced that he had declassified all documents in his possession while he was still president. Criminal Defense 101: Never deny until you are accused.


    Declassification is not a defense to the allegations stated in the warrant, as secrets — information that, if revealed to any person not authorized to see them, would likely cause grave harm to the nation — need not be classified. As well, President Joe Biden — unbeknownst to Trump — could easily have reclassified the documents as top secret prior to the search, thereby giving the DOJ another potential charge against the former president.

    Many of Trump's legal woes were brought about by himself. He is institutionally averse to strategic silence, to accepting norms and to abiding professional advice that does not immediately produce what he wants. Yet, the feds contemplate a prosecution of him for silently reading and securing pieces of paper. And they call that espionage.


    Crime is intentionally caused harm proscribed by law or nature. Who was harmed by documents sitting in Trump's safe? The egos of the security state.

    After four years as president fighting the security state, Trump should know that the federal government is a monster that can only be tamed, occasionally by a fair jury, or permanently when it collapses of its own weight. The latter will happen sooner rather than later. But not soon enough to help Donald Trump.
    https://www.creators.com/read/judge-napolitano/08/22/trump-and-the-department-of-justice
     
  3. The Mello Guy

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    Do they classify a schedule like this?
    Various classified/TS/SCI documents
     
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    LMAO…trump is the first potus to be denied security clearance after leaving office because he is a security risk.
    The orange dotard is so obviously a quisling that no one trusts him not to sell us out for money.
     
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    When was he denied a security clearence? Presidents never have a security clearance per se they are the ultimate decider of what is and what is not classified. They like some members of Congress and other high level offices have their clearence by holding of the office.

    Biden in an act of retribution stop allowing the daily security briefing former Presidents in their official capacity normally get as a courtesy and for national security reasons for they might have insights and contributions for the current President. Too bad Biden did that he could certainly use some advice from Trump.
     
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    They can be like when traveling in a foriegn country or setting up certain meetings. The point being simple what would seem innocuous matters can be classified.

    And of course something like that 4 years later would no longer have those national security implications. Until we know exactly what is this information and whether in fact it was still classified, was it still relevant and was it merely missed in the previous searches or was it active operational intellegence that was knowingly removed and hidden from the FBI this is going to wallow around like all the other "WE GOT HIM NOW!!!" declarations.
     
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    They can be? You have anything to back up your assertion than an old travel schedule could be classified/TS/SCI documents? Because it sounds like you just made that up.
    I agree it’s too soon to be making any declarations….not that it’s stopping your side
     
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    Well here we go judge says entire affidavit shouldn't be sealed and orders DOJ to redact and argue why the redaction is needed.
     
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    Sounds like a good compromise.
     
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    Looks like the (supposedly anti-Trump) judge has approved a redacted version of the affidavit be made public! Keep an eye out for the Trump supporters who are caught off-guard by that and are now going to change their tune about what they want.

    Trumpists: Why didn't they just ask for the documents?
    Reality: They did.
    Trumpists: Why didn't they use a subpoena?
    Reality: They did.
    Trumpists: Then we want to see the warrant!
    Reality: Here you go.
    Trumpists: Did I say warrant? I meant affidavit.
    Reality: Incoming.
    Trumpists: [Thinking of next excuse]
     
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    I thought you guys said the judge was a rabid anti-Trumper who was just out to get him.
     
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    Ivanka was chastised early in the campaign for sending scheduling information on her still private and unsecured phone. She never did again. Where the SS will be and how things will move especially in foreign countries is highly classified who knows how high that goes when it is ACTIVE REAL TIME intelligence. It was just an example. Like the no longer repeated nuclear codes thing. Yes it somehow a piece of paper with the codes from April 10th 2017 were seen by someone and reported as TOP SECRET, it would be innocuous as they would certainly not be active even he he had them.

    So yes everyone better hold back all the hair on fire we got him now as I have heard for almost SEVEN YEARS and for almost seven years said the same thing, you better wait and see. Was I correct? Yep.
     
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    Something Trumpists should remember is the phrase "Just comply." It was used a lot by right-wing talking heads in reference to Black people being shot by police. It seems they don't want to extend this advice to Donald for some reason. Instead, now they're all "defund the FBI!" with apparently no sense of shame or embarrassment.
     
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    You mean the judge that wants to put in his own redactions? Lol that’s laughable. The whole thing should be unsealed. This has a very high public interest. You don’t go off after political adversaries without transparency
     
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    He isn't asking to add his own redactions, and almost any other judge would have just said no entirely. No judge would allow the release without redactions at this stage. That's batshit insane.
     
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    That’s not what I’m hearing.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ju...t-that-led-to-the-search-of-trumps-mar-a-lago

     
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