Donald Trump - just the facts

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  1. Doug_yvr

    Doug_yvr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Donald Trump vs The United States of America. No opinions, just the facts in 40 sentences. Most facts linked directly to sources, most in Trump's own words.

    Link to the rest

    Trump is unfit to be President of the United States.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    what's sad is if a dem did all Trump has, republicans in congress would be going nuts, but sense Trump is a Republican, they do not care...

    it's really crazy, if someone told me the Republicans in power would do this 20 years ago, never would have believed them
     
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    Words like "undermine" and "muderous dictator" are not facts. They are opinions.
     
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    If they only reported what democrats really do, trump is the most maligned president in history, attacks on him wrought with "proven" fake made up news.
    The liberal press ratings are in the toilet and liberal outlets across the board ratings have plummeted that tells the true tail of what america thinks of trump haters and their made up stories.

    The liberal press, democrat politicians would have been much better served if they had just stuck to the truth and not totally lost their minds, all the convictions and their ability to be even remotely close to honest...
     
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    Doug_yvr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    MBS is a murderous dictator. That's a fact.
     
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    Same ole, same ole. More trite tripe.
     
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    Oh look, another Trump hate thread....
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Please explain specifically what about the list is trite or tripe.
     
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    RodB Well-Known Member Donor

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    All of it. Much are simply personal opinion. Some are simply made up. Most state "wrong or untoward actions" that are wrong only in the mind of the accuser.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    OK, so you can't specifically explain why you consider a single line item to be trite or tripe. Got it.
     
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    Daniel Light Well-Known Member

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    We’ve begun setting a really low bar for our presidential candidates.

    Time for a viable third party in this country.
     
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    It does not matter. All of these negatives and crimes are considered positive attributes by Trump fans.

    Get used to it because the Democrats are so disjointed and foolishly tolerating Bernie the stinky socialist running as a Democrat that Trump will slip and slide into the Oval Office in 2020 on a highway of his own swamp slime. Then Beeno O'Roarke is making pro Trump ads telling us that he will take our AR15 away. Democrats acting like buffoons will not cure the Trump disease.
     
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    RodB Well-Known Member Donor

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    OK, if it will make you pleased I'll give you an example, actually two to show what a congenial guy I am.
    1. "He divulged classified information to foreign officials." If that actually happened there is nothing wrong, untoward, or illegal about it. Presidents do that.
    2, "He hired a national security adviser who he knew had secretly worked as a foreign lobbyist." He hired a national security advisor who had maybe (there is some doubt or misunderstanding) worked as a foreign lobbyist, and did not fill out his foreign lobbyist forms correctly or on time. Happens many times a day and the government's response is almost always to tell the person to do better next time.
    Both are clearly tripe, and have been around for years which makes them trite.

    I have no intention of explaining each and every item of drivel.
     
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    By that logic anyone who associates with the Clintons are dealing with murderous dictators.
     
  16. Doug_yvr

    Doug_yvr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There's a place to post nutty conspiracy theories and this aint it.
     
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    Doug_yvr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I fear you might be right. Let's hope they can get their act together with a strong message from a good candidate.
     
  18. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Because the prez has the authority to de-classify info doesn't mean what he did wasn't wrong. Making the claim "Presidents do that" is ridiculous.

    The US extracted a top spy from Russia after Trump revealed classified information to the Russians in an Oval Office meeting
    https://www.businessinsider.com/us-extracted-russia-spy-trump-classified-info-oval-office-2019-9

    US intelligence officials were already worried about the source's safety before the meeting and had offered to extract him amid media speculation about a highly placed source, The New York Times reported. These concerns were compounded by Trump's disclosure to the Russians.

    Trump revealed highly classified information to Russian foreign minister and ambassador

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...0c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html

    President Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting last week, according to current and former U.S. officials, who said Trump’s disclosures jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on the Islamic State.
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump confirms he withheld military aid from Ukraine, says he wants other countries to help pay
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...bdf66c-ded2-11e9-8dc8-498eabc129a0_story.html

    "President Trump confirmed Tuesday that he withheld military aid from Ukraine, saying he did so over his concerns that the United States was contributing more to Ukraine than European countries were.

    “My complaint has always been, and I’d withhold again and I’ll continue to withhold until such time as Europe and other nations contribute to Ukraine because they’re not doing it,” Trump told reporters at the United Nations General Assembly."
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    This beginning to remind me of the ever changing stories coming out of the WH after Individual 1 fired Comey over "the Russia thing." That was quite a shitshow.
     
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    I tried. I really did. #1- too many fake 'whistleblowers' lately. We need whos and whats that can be verified.

    #2-#4 NYT subwalls. Find more open sources if you really want ppl to look ( I will not sub to that rag).

    I stopped there. They're all NYT links arent they?
     
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    Which makes that accusation an opinion which means not a fact as professed.
     
  23. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Ooops, you forgot something.

    The US extracted a top spy from Russia after Trump revealed classified information to the Russians in an Oval Office meeting
    https://www.businessinsider.com/us-extracted-russia-spy-trump-classified-info-oval-office-2019-9

    US intelligence officials were already worried about the source's safety before the meeting and had offered to extract him amid media speculation about a highly placed source, The New York Times reported. These concerns were compounded by Trump's disclosure to the Russians.

    Trump revealed highly classified information to Russian foreign minister and ambassador

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...0c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html

    President Trump revealed highly classified information to the Russian foreign minister and ambassador in a White House meeting last week, according to current and former U.S. officials, who said Trump’s disclosures jeopardized a critical source of intelligence on the Islamic State.

    Which makes it a fact, not an opinion.
     
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    Your big song and dance clouds a simple factual explanation, plus you again switched tunes right in the middle of it.
     
  25. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A factual explanation you neglected to mention.
     

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