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Religion and Philosophy are distinct. It is really a disservice to great thinkers to lump the two topics together, especially in the 21st Century. It was fine to lump them together maybe 200 years ago, even 100 years ago, but philosophy today (at least good philosophy anyway) is grounded in science and reasoning. It's really about identifying assumptions, asking the right questions and attempting to frame them in an intellectually honest manner, and trying to figure out ways to apply new sciences and technologies as well as to determine who should benefit from them.

Basically there are only religious threads here.

 

Well, then start some "philosophical" threads. I'm sure with the ignorance you've thus displayed, I'm sure they will be whoppers.

 

He already did present a philosophical topic. "(at least good philosophy anyway)" What is "good"?

 

Gracias a Dios....Thank you Jesus/Yehoshua.....HallelluYah!!!....finally we have somebody here who can straighten and fix all of us ignorant morons all up!!!!!!

All.....right please kind tell me what is wrong with our theory regarding Universal Salvation????

Now I admit that I am merely a red neck from the back woods of Canada myself....but man that CubidDave guy....he is writing up some stuff that I have never read from anybody who hasn't added some serious philosophy to their religion!!!

Look at this statement from OverDrive....man this is seriously good stuff!!!!

(OverDrive)

(Junobet)

97240sx....these are some of the all time best ever comments that I have ever read in my life on the subject of God ultimately saving everybody! Do you still think there is a zero philosophy quotient in this forum????!!

http://www.politicalforum.com/relig...eventually-led-back-heaven-paradise-love.html

 

It just kind of hit me that this guy is pretty good!

What he wrote and the way he wrote it....kinda p....d me off....which proves that I am still perhaps 90% religious and only perhaps 10% or less philosophical....or I would not have been so annoyed???!!!!

I think he is off to a rather auspicious beginning!!!!!

 

Philosophy is the mother of all arts and sciences old or modern.
On a second thought science and religion are totally incompatible

 

'Good' Philosophy, grounded in science and reasoning' is just idle speculations and constructs of circular reasoning; if the topics were separated all the 'reasoners' would still troll the Religion forum, so it makes no difference whether the two are split off or not.

 

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No, that would be religion that mothered the two.

And on a third thought they are perfectly compatible; it's people, mainly evangelical atheists who are largely incompatible and obnoxious.

 

Not a very intelligent second thought I dare say.

 

Why is that ? and don't hold back i accept constructive criticism

The more science explains the less god we need to fill the empty gaps , how those two can be compatible ?

 

For most modern believers God is not a God of the gaps. As for the compatibility of science and religion, why don't you take into account what religious scientists have to say about that? Here's just one to start with: Francis Collins: http://www.explorefaith.org/speaking_collins.html

 

Why do you refuse to entertain the correspondence of Genesis with what modern science has to say???

I suspect the reason is a pre-set desire to denigrate religion, especially Christianity, and an intellectual dishonesty tied to that desire where you perfer to attack the many medieval commentaries and teachings about Genesis, rather than your own frea-sh and fair look.

Do you deny that In the beginning is supported by the Big Bang which theories just such a start 13.5 billion years ago?

Is that first remark a valid Bible statement?
Or, do you guestion what Big Bang Beginning means?

I think verse by verse you will subjectively and personally perfer to opt for argumants against a Genesis correspondence with facts because you agenda is to find the bible unacceptable no matter how one's reading comprehension might understand that book.

 

phi·los·o·phy

/fəˈläsəfē/

Noun
The study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence, esp. when considered as an academic discipline.


If Christ personified the Truth, as he claimed, and as Rev Martin Luther King did again in our day, was the Father these men prayed to actually Reality, itself?

Isn't Truth the son of the ever unfolding almighty Reality which both nurtures us and threatens orur continued existence?

Logically, the mental IMAGE of such a god as Reality is Truth.

Seeing the God of the Old Testament as Almighty Reality, our own Law of Evolution concede that we bow down and Adapt to the Facts-of-Life or be cast into the Hell of eternal extinction.

With this view in mind, philosophy is a religion.
Choose between an existence outside of Reality, and join the insanity of living religiously in a conviction of fantasy.

 

Cupid, please don't read statements into my posts that just aren't there. If you want to endulge in your Jungian mysticism, go for it, but don't expect us all to take part in that.

 

Good can be defined by the viewer.

Religion is the mother of many sciences and arts as they are rooted in man's attempt to imitate, communicate with, study, and worship the divine.

No they are not.

That's because many things in the Bible have been mistranslated due to ignorance of the language or a misconception of the spirit of the language. I've heard and read material on the fact that the terminology in Genesis was mistranslated and misunderstood by man. It wasn't necessarily a "day" as man understands it. The theories of science can coincide with the beliefs of Faith.

 

Which would render the matter as entirely subjective, capricious, whimsical, ambiguous and lacking in any substantial import to anyone other than that individual person who is declaring something as being 'good'.

 

If it is not a god of gaps how come we accept locusts clouds as something natural and not as the wrath of god? same can be said for volcanoes , earthquakes and other natural phenomena.

Thank you for the explanation but if you can see the little flag over my post count... yeah philosophy is in my mother tongue filos = friend / affiliated sofia = wisdom , it is not only about reality like for example in art .
Evolution is not a law it is a theory like gravity and the heliocentric nature of our system , the best part of science is that it can not be dogmatic because we can never be sure of anything.

A little correction there , i do not know what those who started civilisation had in mind but philosophy in it's modern meaning was an idea conceived by my people the Greeks , now think that in Hellenistic religion gods do not need or require worship , man needs to worship the gods ...now think why Socrates was executed... i guess the philosophers were not very interested in the divine

 

Where exactly does the re-cognition of 'reality' take place?

 

Rationalization of events is nothing new or mysterious. Such rationalization is merely a means of justifying the behavior of the individual making the rationalization.

 

I think you are rationalizing too much.

 

So much for opinions. Everyone has one. As for the rationalization, name one act that you perform for which you are requested to give an explanation as to why you performed the act and tell me that you were not rationalizing the behavior in the response that you make.

 

I agree. Theology and philosophy go together about as well as oil and water. Philosophy is a study of thought where theology is a study of a deity/s.

 

May as well delete all but one thread while we're at it. Every thread is hijacked by the secular humanist evangelical whose trying to proselytize to everyone.

 

To make sense of Genesis in view of science you have adopted someone's incredible overlay of an interpretation that makes so many presumptions and extrapolations that it winds up having no connection to the book people hold in their hands at all.
There is no "reading comprehension" that would lead a reasonable person to the incredible adaptations you make on these boards regularly. It would take far, FAR more than reading Genesis to come up with the profoundly grandiose extrapolations about the book that you post on PF.

 

Which fits in perfectly with your concept of "fact" and "truth" and all those terms that you have squeezed to support anything you choose to believe.
Sounds like you two are on the same page.