E-Verify: Florida Senate Passes Bill Requiring State Employers With 25 or More Employees to Use .

-Verify: Florida Senate Passes Bill Requiring State Employers With 25 or More Employees to Use Platform Effective July 1

https://www.gtlaw.com/en/insights/2...re-employees-to-use-platform-effective-july-1

Damn. Well, kudos to De Santis for putting his money where his mouth is. I think he would have been better to have phased it in a bit, but Twitter is already aflame with construction projects shutting down. Should prove interesting going forward.

 

Good news!

And yes, I've seen Twitter being "aflame" about construction projects shutting down but have not found any news articles about it yet.

 

Seems standard.

 

I thought everyone had to use that.

 

I thought conservatives opposed regulation?

 

It's certainly a step in the right direction. We'll see if companies try to work around it.

 

As someone that once did new hire paperwork and onboarding for a very large construction company, e-verify is a joke. It basically just makes sure multiple documents match — easily done with a fake birthday card and a fake social security card.

We need electronic documents that can be instantly verified and are unable to be easily faked for items like this to work.

 

good news, now what is the punishment for getting caught hiring someone illegal and not doing this? just a fine?

"fines of $1,000 per day until the employer provided sufficient proof to the department that the noncompliance was resolved."

nope, need to be a felony with mandatory 5 year sentence

 

I thought liberals were for protecting the working class?

 

I actually agree with you. There needs to be major ramifications for violating labor laws.

 

exactly, otherwise is just the cost of doing business

 

I thought it was already mandatory, but looks like was so for Contractors and public employees, and now its extended to everyone. Of course it will hurt some or many businesses, which is the intent. Not sure how they plan to enforce this.

Yes, but that was like.....2 years ago

Me too, because I have had to use it for years.

They can set up sub-contracting companies in GA and get around the hiring process, or they'll just hire like they did before.

 

It should apply to everyone on e verify. US citizens, which are required to fill out that I-9, and verify the information is accurate. However, most of the employers in the state of Florida have less than 25 employees and thus are not subject to e-verify. Second, it specifically uses the word employment. Contractors which can be located here or abroad are also not subject ot e-verify either. Thus, employers, like Trump's golf courses will be subject to it. And that may not be a good thing for Trump, business-wise though. My prediction, it is not going to have much impact on immigration, illegal or otherwise, but I do worry about how employers will handle the situation if they obtain a false positive because an immigrant had his status changed.

Furthermore, the annual reports by hospitals simply mean more fees people are going to have to pay for hospitals feeling out this report. You are already required to provide proof of id and any, if possible, insurance. If no insurance, then the hospital will either cover for you or find one for you if you qualify.

that being said, e-verify works very well if it is blatantly obvious. But on occasion, and if the immigrant recently changed status, it may create a false positive more often than desired. Under federal law, the employee has 10 days to show documented proof. Nothing of that is stated in the bill, at least when I glanced at it. But I suspect the real motive of this bill is eventually to cut funding to disadvantaged persons from public hospitals in Florida or some other crisis when the anti-immigrants finally get the numbers that don't match their very liberal take on what "illegals cost us" sort of thing.

 

If we hold national averages the same as Florida, this site says that 80% of all employers have fewer than 20 employees. So, first off, this bill only affects employees with 25 or more employees, less than 20% of all employers. They are not the ones who predominately hire illegals BTW. So, a very small business will not have to do this although some may. Second, the only employers would be like Trump golf courses which is known to hiring illegal aliens. But it will hurt hospitals because they have to provide a quarterly report to the state on the number of patients who are USC, legally here, temporarily here, and illegal. This will ultimately mean less money coming from the state for indigent services and financial help available for those who do not or cannot afford health insurance. But that is a couple of years down the line.

Nothing in the bill shows how it is enforced either. I guess snitching is probably how it will be done.

 

you're both wrong. conservatives are quite willing to support sensible regulation that protects this country and its workers. the sad progressive excuse for american liberalism is only about protecting the masters of the democratic party's plantation, dividing the nation's population through a series of selective entitlements and playing one group against another.

i hope this is useful to both of you.

 

It's already a felony to attempt to get a job with fraudulent work documents.

 

Haaha!

 

Sounds like just more government red tape, which is in line with everything DeSantis does.

 

He’s probably trying to harass Disney. Meanwhile, those small companies are hiring the bulk of illegal immigrants and paying them slave wages under the table.

 

Well, they come here to pursue those slave wages, so its not like they have to do it against their will. Besides, construction workers actually make pretty good money legal or illegal.

 

Actually, it does do more than that. If documents have been stolen, they will have a tentative non-confirmation. If the supposed same person holds 2 jobs atfar ends of the country, you will get a tentative non-confirmation. If a woman who got married fills out paperwork in her married name, and it doesn't match what is on file, you get a tentative non-confirmation. If someone is on parole in one state, and files for a job some place they aren't supposed to be, you get a tentative non-confirmation. Overstayed their visa? TNC.

The list goes on and on. The employee then has 10 days to resolve the issue. If no resolution, they are terminated. It's not fool proof, but it does work. Dismissing it because it isn't perfect, well, that's your problem.

 

We don't live in a black and white world.

Trying to frame the debate that way is foolish.

Conservatives desire limited or the least regulations to maximize freedom.

Opposing government power does not equal supporting anarchy.

 

It is, but the red tape has a devious purpose, especially for county hospitals. But it has another purpose, the myth that DeSantis is selling so he can find someone else to blame when the numbers don't go his way.

 

Stop!

You're ruining their talking point.

This is exactly how conservatives feel. Some regulation is necessary but over regulation hurts everybody by making our economy less efficient.

 

I don't support it. There are better ways to deal with immigration, and I should be able to hire whoever I damnwell please without going through red tape.

But that's fine, disagreements are always bound to happen and DeSantis is not even close to the worst out there.