[Eco disaster] Australians will become the first climate refugees soon.

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  1. Bic_Cherry

    Bic_Cherry Active Member

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    [Eco disaster] Australians will become the first climate refugees soon.

    Many Singaporeans who migrated to Aust will be returning home too.

    Today, much of Australia is on fire due to record beaking ground temperatures. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-50980386

    This ecological disaster is the result of greedy people who pumped out (and squandered) excessive ground water until the water table is beyond reach of forests at all.

    See video about sky streams in Amazon: trees are the real inhabitants of the Earth, humans are only visitors (interlopers). Tree societies (forests) bank water in the sky by transpiration and ground water is their emergency water lifesource.


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    Trees also like to transpire to balance water on ground and in the atmosphere to maintain stable ground temperatures by controlling sunlight since white clouds are like mirrors which reflect sunlight and prevent day time temperatures from getting too high (as do temperature extremes exists in desert conditions). Trees in desperate need for water are also able to secrete chemical ions which encourage rain seeding and thus rainfall.

    More and more rainforest in Australia is becoming desert as a result of greedy people exhausting ground water sources, not least clearing forest for mining, township or farming purposes etc.

    The desertification of Australia will cause cropt yields to spiral sharply downwards as forest fail to regenerate themselves and make Australia a nett food importing country. Warmer seas will bleach coral reefs and make Australian seas barren, resulting in drastic drop in fishing yields.

    The great Australian desert is expanding due to greed and irresponsible stewardship by mankind or the Australian people.

    Soon enough, Australia is only be good as a place of exile. The ecology will be significantly destroyed and nobody will want to live there. Koala bears will be a near extinct species in their own native country as well.

    As they deserve, Australians will be climate refugees soon.
     
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    VotreAltesse Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I doubt there would be a lot of places for them to go.
     
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    Commonwealth countries will be persuaded to accept.

    Otherwise will disintegrate into a convicts colony as it was previously.
     
  4. Hoosier8

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    LOL, what a bunch of BS. The majority of Australia had normal to the largest amount of rainfall on record. There have been plans since 1930 to pipe water from the north to the south. The southern tip of Australia is in a Hadley Cell zone. If it gets warmer, the equatorial band will expand and make the south wetter.

    Instead the green nuts have passed laws fining people from clearing their land. One citizen got fined $100,000 for clearing his land. The upside is when the fires went through his property was spared. The aborigines used to burn the brush so this wouldn't happen but the eco freaks think they are much smarter.
     
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    Syrians are the first environmental refugees.
     
  6. bigfella

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    This is what happens when ill informed people treat youtube videos as fact. SIGH!

    Nope. I get the impression you have no idea how big Australia is & how diverse its ecosystems are. We are the same size as the 'lower 48' US states but with 25 million people. Western Australia alone has more agricultural land than the United Kingdom, and that is our driest state.

    Tasmania is in a temperate climate zone and twice the size of Taiwan. If every single Australian moved there it would still have a population density half that of Taiwan. To put that in terms the OP might understand (or not), if every Australian moved to Tasmania we would have a population density of about 330 per sqkm. That would be over 8000 lower than Singapore. We could just leave a few million people on the mainland to farm & we'd be fine.

    Of course, this is me just being silly, though no more silly than the OP.

    Yep. All that open space, freedom & relaxed lifestyle will just become too much to take. Keep us all apprised wiht the numbers of how many Singaporeans return home (as compared to those moving to Australia).

    No, 'much of Australia' is not on fire. There have been some very big, very destructive fires that have had terrible outcomes, but the entire amount of land burned in Australia since July 2019 is about 17 million hectares. That is quite a bit less than the total size of my home state of Victoria, and the area burned is spread over every state & territory. Very few Australians live anywhere near an area threatened by fire.

    So, stop being silly.

    The bit about the greedy people using too much water is true. The bit about it causing the fires is not. A lot of the forest area burned has been in mountainous areas that don't rely on ground water that has been drained by anyone. The big problem is that years of drought have left forest very, very dry. This is not a groundwater issue.

    Not worth taking the time to rebut this little rant.

    Not a word of this is true except the distant possibility that koalas might be in trouble.

    If I were living in Singapore I would be a lot more worried about the impact of climate change on my home than Australia. Given that most of Singapore is no more than 15 meters above sea level it won't take much of a rise in sea level to make life very unpleasant. First the reclaimed land will go, then the rest.

    I suppose a few folk could cling to Bukit Timah, but most Singaporeans will have to flee. Perhaps your government can buy some land somewhere, but it won't be anywhere nearby. Malaysia & Indonesia will be wetting their pants with laughter watching that smug little country drown. If they do help it will be for a very large price. Maybe a large, affluent country like Australia will find room for you for a nominal fee. Of course, you'll have to learn about democracy, freedom of speech & how to live without cheap third world labour, but I'm confident most Singaporeans will adapt. The rest can stay behind & cling to the hill.
     
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  7. bigfella

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    Given how bad the OP was it is surprising to see a post every bit as bad. Congratulations on matching the OP's effort. Perhaps ignorance is contagious. Like certainly appears to attract like. Wildly misrepresenting events in Australia appears to be a cottage industry on the internet at the moment.
     
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    More BS. You do realize records of rainfall are kept don’t you? Also Australia’s CISRO gives recommendations for burning and only about 1/10 are burned. The warnings were there but ignored.

    Australias politicians are to blame. Land management has been taken from the owners and been centralized. National parks have been made and allowed to over grow.
     
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    Nonsense. There have been environmental refugees for thousands if not millions of years.
     
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    I'll take all your money on that one.
    No, it's the result of stopping responsible people from conducting controlled burns. The other factor is that increased CO2 allows vegetation to grow with less water, so the forests grow more fuel than before even when they are drier.
     
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    97% of witch doctors believe that we have angered the gods. We much begin throwing virgins into volcanos as soon as possible. Australia's on fire for god's sake; they're all going to die anyway. How can the world just stand by? Why doesn't someone do something? HOW DARE YOU !!!
     
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    I don't know, but have heard that y'all down under have always suffered from a lack of rain. If there isn't enough rain there's going to be less groundwater, and over time, less water in the aquifers.

    The Ogallala Aquifer that underlies the Great Plains in the USA ranges from 100 to 400 ft. deep. If it were pumped dry the food shortage would be severe due to no water available to pump up for farm irrigation, but it would have no effect on trees. The groundwater available used by trees depends on rain. That's why the forests burn in California -- lack of rain.

    Most of California's public water and irrigation water is pumped out of rivers, especially the Colorado, which often runs dry before it gets far into Mexico, and seldom makes it to the Gulf of California (Baja).
     
  13. bigfella

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    Similar here - forests usually burn because they have dried out. Aquifers aren't the issue there. If we have a serious drought, as we have had for the past few years, bushfires tend to get nasty. These ones are unusual for their duration & scale - bushfire season on the east coast usually doesn't kick off until late November or later, with the worst usually in Jan or Feb. This year it started in August and burned into areas that never get burned - rainforest in Queensland and forest in Tasmania that hasn't burned for 1000 years.
     

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