Educated vs "Non-Educated"

Examples of successs isn't a valid approach. The issue is those that don't succeed, not those that do succeed. And, the success rate is FAR from good when you take college into account.

What you did is not an argument for the premise that anyone can do that. And, there are a good number of reasons that it doesn't happen.

I'm not proposing to make any demands. I don't know where you got that idea.

btw, as I pointed out, reducing poverty is only one of the possible benefits from making college more available.

Increasing the number of kids who get 4 year degrees is a solid investment for America. On average, they make $1M more over their careers, returning to us the taxes on that amount. Plus, it reduces the number who don't get degrees and eventually find their way onto our social safety net - a benefit to us there, too. Plus, it increases our competitiveness as a nation.

 

Sure, that foreign country stat that you refused to provide a link to, was totally irrelaven.

The second chart only makes sense if you provide a link as well. The horizontal scale is wealth and it’s obvious that wealth has a bigger influence then religiosity on gpa according to the chart. You can’t divorce one from the other....it’s bogus. Where is the link.....

 

Education has nothing to do with dogma.

Your post suggests that churches provide a pattern of attendance that is like school. That sounds ridiculously weak to me, as church is once a week for a short period of time and not early in the morning. School is 5 days a week, of many times the duration and starting early. Adding one short day is not going to somehow cross some threshhold.

Beyond that anyone can go to church if they want to - TODAY!

 

Family income is included to show religious activity has a positive effect at all income levels. That’s very important. Otherwise we wouldn’t know which metric caused the increased performance. Turns out both religious involvement and increased income influence academic outcomes positively.

 

It’s just a fact. The government has never been involved in my sewage.

 

Of course they have. You didn’t dig the hole yourself. Every septic system or public connection has to conform to code it’s a law.

 

You don’t purchase by your free will, police, fire, road maintenance or social security. Al, are social services tax payers are forced to pay for.

 

Ive provided the link for the Stanford study. I tried for the other one but it didn’t take. It’s missing in the post where I said I’d provide it. Here it is.
https://www.bls.gov/nls/nlsy97.htm

Again, the link to the gpa chart has been provided. It’s all factual as I’ve claimed. If you disagree with the numbers, take it up with Stanford. Or cite a study with different results. You are acting like a science denier.

 

Still can’t copy and paste a link ? What’s your excuse now ?

 

They have never been involved. It’s a fact.

 

It’s in post 2983, right above yours.

 

That is a monumentally prepostrous suggestion.

For the last 60 years it has been progressives who have cared about the treatment and choices of individuals - marriage, racial discrimination, abortion, religion, sexuality, equal access to jobs, property, education, our legal system, healthcare, housing, etc.

Today, we have an administration that panders to white supremacists (even by their own account), that has not protected our democracy from voter suppression efforts and tampering from foreign entities, who has attempted to assault our coming census in clear hopes of denying democracy, who has ignored gross cases of police shooting black kids, and that has shown no respect for women.

 

Read the studies. Argue facts.

 

Ha ha
You’re laughable.
You can’t even supply the link to your chart ?
Just a fraudulent summary link. What are you hiding ? The truth?

 

Not even once.

 

I don't get your argument here at all.

Are you saying you should have been cited for building code violation?

Are you saying there weren't any regulations covering your property at the time?

Are you unaware that these codes do get updated as population becomes more dense, with existing systems usually being grandfathered at least until significant change in the system is required?

 

That’s a summary link. What are you hiding. Where is your chart link ?
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Differing political opinions, period.

Liberal means you don't engage in the careful measuring of the opinion in the first place, so saying 'of course not' just confirms my point.

 

You should read the study. Then you can intelligently discuss it. If you have a study refuting my claims or those of the US Bureau of Labor Statistics or the Stanford study, by all means, share.

What does the freedom to go to church today have to do with anything? Except for the fact that if a student did, it very well may positively impact their gpa.

 

Yes, it is. When the opposition insists that there are quantifiable barriers to success, even ONE example of same is enough to disprove that. If even one family can do it, then clearly those barriers to success don't exist. It proves that barriers to success are personal, not institutional or 'societal'. That many families have done it, confirms this to the power of ten.

 

That’s the data. If you follow directions in the link you can access the raw data. I don’t know what could be hidden by giving you access to the actual data. You have to desire ignorance at this point. Read the stuff or don’t. But stop arguing without facts.

Here is a link to the publisher of the chart. Again, I don’t want to hear any more screeching and science denying. These are facts. If you can’t provide alternative data your opinion is of no value. Educate yourself.

http://marripedia.org/effects_of_religious_practice_on_education

If you don’t like the chart, go back to the raw data and build your own. The ball is in your court.

 

It has all the links in it to access the raw data. Grow up.

 

I’m saying the member who said I’d choke on my own sewage without (socialist) government is full of ____. That’s all I’m saying.

 

It is not. It’s where you have to start to access the raw data. Do you have the ability to do that? I just did it again, to make sure it all still works. In a thread about education it floors me how hard some people will work to avoid education. Frankly, it’s bizarre.

 

Maybe “you” should read the study.
It is what I said it was. A regression graph does not reveal one to one correspondence. It compares items in two dimension. It makes sense, only for those in a particular income range. As usual, income is a bigger factor in gpa and often, religion type and again, only within one income range...you should read the interviews and look at the other charts. It’s false to make a blanket statement that the more religiosity you have, the higher the gpa. The box chart shows little change until you get to a particular income bracket. But then, that wouldn’t bolster your point.