Election Fraud In the California Recall – Man Arrested with a Gun, Drugs and Thousands of ballots.

The PD posted that it caught him with 1,000s of pieces of mail. It did not specify as to whether they were ballots.

 

Indeed! The dead vote 99.9% Democratic save for Chicago, where it consistently hovers around 108.3%.

 

Not 125 M, it was 158.5 M.

And a proven case of fraud does not necessarily mean guilt. In Ohio in 2012, a number of elderly in SW Ohio cast their ballots twice, not deliberately, but because they are suffering from alzheimers and Co. and forgot that they had already voted. Of the 158 suspected cases of voter fraud in Ohio, at least 30 of them were among this elderly and forgetful group of people. Also, some were assumed fraud because it was college students from out of state and one by one, those accused proved that they did not vote in their home state, but rather, in Ohio. Of the cases remaining that were actually valid, over 80% were deliberate second votes for Mitt Romney, 20% were deliberate 2nd votes for former Pres. Obama.

So, within the rubrik "proven" we must also discern. It's important.

 

Not at all. I am 100% for voter ID, always have been, always will be. We need a national ID card that should be identical to the first part of each person's passport (the plastic card part). Virtually every other civilized nation has this system, it runs like a top and is easy to maintain.

Curious that the only state in the USA that doesn't require voter ID at all is a ruby red state, namely, North Dakota.

 

I am for legit audits, always have been, always will be.

In fact, most all states have a triggering mechanism in their respective laws for either a partial or total recount, or an audit. The set-off point is usually anything under a +0.5% margin.

I am not for hyperpartisan audits, for instance, the bullshit that those ninja clowns failed at miserably in Arizona. I mean, jeeez, that is just plain old sad. I mean, seriously, if people are going to lie and troll for all it's worth, they should at least put some competence into it.

 

Indeed.

 

If I recall correctly, he tried to burn the entire ****ing gubbermint down and then on inauguration day, he flew off in the early morning hours to a group of cheering thousands, ähm, wait, cheering hundreds, ähm wait, cheering tens while "My way" blared over the loudspeakers. It had a distincly "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy" flavor to it...

 

So, you have a very valid point there, but in this case, it's not called voter fraud, but rather, "electoral fraud" and the penalties for stealing peoples' votes is very, very high, indeed. I am against all forms of electoral fraud, including, of course, voter fraud, regardless of party or ideology.

But the point that @FreshAir has been making over and over and over again, which I believe is THE salient point of this entire thread, is that fraud vis-a-vis elections exists, but it is miniscule and it has to this date never once tipped a legitimate election, at least not on the presidential or senatorial level.

And as I wrote in a posting earlier, even a proven case of voter fraud doesn't automatically imply or infer guilt. See: people with Alzheimer's, for example.

 

Since some districts come down to the difference of less than a few thousand votes and this one guy had over 300 ballots on him, (presumably effecting 300 people's votes) how could voter/election fraud NOT effect an outcome by those who do not get drunk due to passing out in their cars?

 

The photo they took clearly shows them to be ballots.

 

Quite possibly, but 300 is not even a small minority of the "thousands" of stolen pieces of mail, ergo, this guy was tripping out and just stole what he could steal and some ballots were in the mix. That being said, when he is found guilty for his crime (stealing any kind of mail is a federal crime), then he should sit in jail for it.

 

Az and Ga couldn't audit their elections because ballots appeared in Az and Ga polling precincts from every conceivable source...For example, from on line voting...For example, from no voter verifications...For example, from ballot harvesting. Ga and Az couldn't audit all those ballots. In essence, Ga and Az declared that all the ballots they could audit were good ones. Problem is there's no way they could audit all the ballots they received.

On a somewhat side note, the heads of those state election agencies who declared their state elections were free and fair are voted into office and, if those state election heads admit their one purpose for being a state election head didn't come true: ensuring free and fair elections, not only will they not be reelected but they will probably also face, at least, scrutiny.

 

For what it's worth, May 1, 2021 minus Feb., 2020 is about 14 months, er, one year two months.

EDIT: I'm implying US military elite didn't want to pullout of Afghanistan either on May 1, 2021 (Trump's agreement with the Taliban) or August 31, 2021 (Biden's agreement with the Taliban, I guess?)

 

For examples, California allows for ballot harvesting and on line voting. There's absolutely no way to audit a California election. IMO, some California politicians want it that way.

BTW, how are you gonna audit the recall if the recall passes?

 

Institutionalized election fraud. The Bolsheviks must be laughing their asses off.

 

Biden supporters must be laughing their asses off.

 

Is there a difference?

 

Trump didn't try to burn the gov't down. Trump didn't instigate the riot. The capitol riot was, IMO, an example of democratic protest. Just as the protests over the summer of 2020 because of the Floyd death was a democratic protest. BTW, do you think Floyd protestors were trying to burn the gov't down?? Hum?

The capitol riot was an example of democracy because people were reacting adversely to authoritarian edicts from governors and congresscritters because of the pandemic. And, well, the 2020 election was never investigated.

 

The date of withdrawal was the critical part of the Trump plan.
Waiting until our bases were abandoned to start evacuating civilians was the Biden Plan. The very bad plan.

This is how The Biden Plan worked:

 

By now everyone knows who was responsible for most of the violence on 1/6.

“Because they are not insiders but infiltrators, these informants exist in a netherworld somewhere between snitch and cop. But while agents are rigorously trained about what’s legal, ethical, and fair, informants are often just given a stipend and sent to work. In an ideal world, that work is supposed to be limited in scope.

"Usually what the informant provides is an opportunity to introduce an undercover operative," says Mike German, a former FBI undercover agent who now works for the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU). "And then you push the informant out of the case because you want the FBI agent there. He understands the law. He or she would be much more sensitive to any kind of privilege issues or sensitive techniques."

In a significant number of cases, however, the informant simply becomes the undercover operative, sometimes for months or years at a stretch. The practice has endured for decades, though details have only become available to the public in recent years.”
FOREIGN POLICY, INVESTIGATION, Does the F.B.I. Have an Informant Problem?, How the bureau is playing fast and loose in its fight against domestic terrorism., By J.M. Berger, SEPTEMBER 7, 2012.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2012/09/07/does-the-f-b-i-have-an-informant-problem/

 

Everything in life is subject to an audit, from your business accounts, a process such as an election, and an audit (MOT) on your car, and even a yearly check up on your health. The idea of an audit is to catch errors, possible fraud, malfunctions etc.. Some are routine and some more ad hoc.

When you start to pick and choose if something requires an audit, the whole reason behind audits is thrown out of the window.

The UK has an audit commission for elections and they are robust in their audits.

https://www.electoralcommission.org...e-are/our-plans-and-priorities/corporate-plan

So choosing not to do an audit because "your guy won" is piss poor for the whole idea of an audit. To be fair, Hillary was three fields and a dyke ahead in the polls, but Trump won. In all honesty, that warranted an audit, or, did one take place because I didn't follow American news at the that time.

I suggest you take audits seriously.

 

Well, your opinion is your opinion and you have a right to express it, of course.

But of course Trump instigated the insurrection.

 

You completely misunderstood my posting. I never said I was against audits nor did I say some audits were unneccessary. Go back and read my text again. Also, the audits required by various state laws happened.

 

Legit audit??? What on earth is that??

 

Do you live in California? Do you know very specifically how their systems work? Because audits can and DO happen in California.

Also, ballot harvesting is neither illegal nor immoral. Try again.

An audit would happen after a recount and generally, a full recount is more robust than an audit itself.

There would be no reason in the world to audit the recall election, unless of course the margin would fall under +0.5%, which is unlikely to happen in this case.